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Sorry, but your inability to grasp that some people can own guns, hunt, and carry for protection without being a gun cultist is irrelevant to actual fact. I own 3 guns , as that's all I need. Well , 4 if you count the old shotgun of my granddads with the firing pin removed. 1 shotgun, 1 lever action deer rifle , and a handgun I acquired simply because of the proliferation of these nutters. I am by no means an aficionado that oohs and ahhs over how cool guns are. They are tools , for hunting and for protection , that's all.
But you are correct in that I disdain the adolescent gun cultist mentality that can be manipulated by gun manufacturers convincing them they can become more manly by buying their cool AR15 clone.
So it is your perception then that an AR15 makes one become more manly?
Uh... wallflash, my girlfriend has multiple ARs in multiple calibers. AKs and an SKS too. Is she in possession of them to become more manly
Or could it be the weapon platform is appealing to her?
Do you have the same disdain for car aficionados because cars are just transportation?
What of wine, beer, food aficionados?
You have a short sighted view my friend...
Your post screams stop liking what I don't like. Again, I'm not saying this to insult you, I'm saying this to open your eyes to a much bigger picture, and more specifically that you and I are in agreement of the who and what is at fault here...
I don't see a problem as you stated, tools of defense and hunting, being in the hands of proficient, peaceable, responsible owners.
Especially on school grounds to serve as protectors of children.
I would much rather see headlines "attempted school shooter" "would be school shooter" and positive results rather than failed policy with dire consequences because that's what feels good...
^ False equivalency between "gun cultists" which would be 2nd Amendment Proponents, and
We don't endorse these scumbags nor their actions... yet you keep drawing a connection between them and 2nd amendment proponents. Why?
Because you focus on the implement. Without being insulting, I'm engaging you civilly and not insulting by the way, you have a short sighted approach to this issue and keep drawing a conclusion that if so and so committed an atrocity with an AR15, then everyone who promotes the right to keep and have access to AR15s, is endorsing these heinous acts... that's wrong.
Example of you doing it You don't believe most gun owners are potential mass murderers. But...
Nobody. Not even the NRA who you somehow hold such contempt for, endorses nor supports these actions... yet, you claimed previously the NRA is responsible.
Your words exactly.
Are you retracting this previous statement?
I've asked you before for what you meant by gun aficionados and so forth, you did not elaborate I'll ask again. And now more specifically, what do you mean by more militant gun owners...
Fingers. Fingers determine how quick a rifle fires... going to come for fingers now?
Again... it's the person not the weapon that determines it's capabilities...
Firearms aren't toys...
Exercising 2nd Amendment rights, is not playing...
Not one person has come forth in support of these heinous attacks. I have said since I was 15 years old, I support a proactive measure to protect and safeguard classrooms and students.
I have said since 15 years old I do not believe schools should be gun free zones.
The lawmakers who've removed the constitutional protected right to keep and bear arms for lawful defense are whom you have a problem with number 1. Number 2 your issue is with the same scumbags I have a problem with.
Or are you implying I'm a gun nutter equally guilty as these scumbags because I believe in the 2nd Amendment completely from flint lock to full auto should be available to the public unrestricted? Because I do believe we all should have access to everything no limitations unless you are a deranged sick sadistic piece of crap making threats online, in person, and violent offender/felons.
Nowhere have I endorsed these vile heinous acts...
Clean up your post and quit claiming I am saying you endorse and support mass murders. I am not saying that at all, and when you can drop that false claim and deal with what I am actually saying we can continue. You ask some good questions, but I am getting tired of having to deal with the continuing false claim that I am suggesting you support mass murder.
Clean your post up, address what I actually say, and then we can continue.
So it is your perception then that an AR15 makes one become more manly?
Uh... wallflash, my girlfriend has multiple ARs in multiple calibers. AKs and an SKS too. Is she in possession of them to become more manly
Or could it be the weapon platform is appealing to her?
Do you have the same disdain for car aficionados because cars are just transportation?
What of wine, beer, food aficionados?
You have a short sighted view my friend...
Your post screams stop liking what I don't like. Again, I'm not saying this to insult you, I'm saying this to open your eyes to a much bigger picture, and more specifically that you and I are in agreement of the who and what is at fault here...
I don't see a problem as you stated, tools of defense and hunting, being in the hands of proficient, peaceable, responsible owners.
Especially on school grounds to serve as protectors of children.
I would much rather see headlines "attempted school shooter" "would be school shooter" and positive results rather than failed policy with dire consequences because that's what feels good...
Your very first sentence indicates to me that you aren't reading what I say. I never claimed that at all. I said that Bushmaster has ran ads enticing gun cultists to buy their guns to "get their man card back".
Its a gun manufacturer using the "become a man" angle on its customers , not me claiming it. Please note that the gun dealer admits to an "overwhelming response " by the gun cultists to the ad campaign to become more manly by buying their gun. Which refers us back to my response on part of the reason I have disdain for these types.
Pay better attention to what is said please.
Last edited by wallflash; 02-17-2018 at 10:38 AM..
If the wrong people do not use the backpacks; it could be a useful tool
Actually I see this as one more useful tool that our kids have to not only protect themselves; but also to turn the tide against the shooter. I still feel that training our kids to defend themselves is the very best protection against another school shooting. We cannot count on police protection when it is needed. These shooting happen too fast and the only ones there are the victims.
What would happen if we took this bullet proof idea one more step? Either have unfold side panels to the backpacks so they looked more like a shield. Or even have classrooms stocked with swat type, but lighter, full shields so that every child could grab one? It could make it easy for a class to act as a team and disarm the attacker.
Attacks, like this last one, scare our kids; we leave them feeling impotent. Empowerment can ease some of those fears.
I'm of a slightly different mindset on this one. These cretins or misfits who perform these terrible deeds will simply see armoured backpacks as a challenge to their "X-Box/PlayStation" abilities and if using something like an AR, equip it with laser or quick acquisition optics to take head shots instead OR they can simply purchase this stuff instead:https://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index...556-penetrator
Your average teen would know a piece of armour no bigger than 1 sq/ft will not stop a determined shooter nor will it stop the hotter rounds available for purchase across the counter.
Parents clutching at any straw offered is understandable but I am doubtful it will serve to empower anybody; especially teens who talk to each other and know better.
The short term solution is the hardening of schools with metal detector entrances and sealed times of operation. Once citizens realize the type of society they are building with their 'Number One' country being reduced to students needing to be cloistered behind locked doors, needing permission and escort to leave for a DR's appointment, thusly creating an environment in direct contradiction to anything ballyhood as Free and Brave, they may review their priorities.
The so-called "gun control" advocates have spent the last several decades proving (inadvertently) that their half measures do not work. "Assault weapons" bans, waiting periods, "gun free" zones, background checks, and all the rest rarely reduce the crime rate, and often result in an increase instead. And yet they keep coming back and saying we need "just a little more" of their "reasonable restrictions".
When they point to countries whose results they like, they invariably point to places like England, Japan, Australia, etc. - countries that have almost completely banned guns from their subjects.
Take the hint.
In fact, complete bans of all guns are the only things that have ever reduced "gun crimes". And they must be accompanied by ruthless confiscation. Advocates who say they want "just some reasonable regulations", know by now they won't work. The only thing they could now be intending, is an eventual complete ban on all guns. While pretending they will do only just a little, to fool you into going along with "just a little". And then next year, just a little more.
Their total gun bans must be accompanied by SWAT teams going door to door to every house and apartment in America, taking people's guns whether they want to give them up or not. They know that many people will object to giving up their guns voluntarily... but a gun ban won't work unless everybody turns in their guns.
Advocates who say they want a few "reasonable regulations", are either astonishingly ignorant of the results of their own policies, or are lying to you.
I can assure you that no matter how strict the laws become, if I wanted to get my hands on one I could do so. Then, once I have it, I have free reign because all the good citizens who would never turn to the black market are unarmed.
After all, we have been "limiting access" to drugs, and how has that worked out? Drugs are more available than ever.
Limiting access is the only sane solution.
Other countries can do it, this country can do it. And it will, the vast majority wants more control than is currently the situation.
I'm of a slightly different mindset on this one. These cretins or misfits who perform these terrible deeds will simply see armoured backpacks as a challenge to their "X-Box/PlayStation" abilities and if using something like an AR, equip it with laser or quick acquisition optics to take head shots instead OR they can simply purchase this stuff instead:https://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index...556-penetrator
Your average teen would know a piece of armour no bigger than 1 sq/ft will not stop a determined shooter nor will it stop the hotter rounds available for purchase across the counter.
Parents clutching at any straw offered is understandable but I am doubtful it will serve to empower anybody; especially teens who talk to each other and know better.
The short term solution is the hardening of schools with metal detector entrances and sealed times of operation. Once citizens realize the type of society they are building with their 'Number One' country being reduced to students needing to be cloistered behind locked doors, needing permission and escort to leave for a DR's appointment, thusly creating an environment in direct contradiction to anything ballyhood as Free and Brave, they may review their priorities.
I doubt it happening in a hurry though.
You make a sad, but true point.
It had once been common for high schools to have an open campus. Now high schools are locking down their campus in ways that erode the everyday freedom of students, faculty, and parents. Some schools have a policy that classroom doors must remain locked at all times during the door just in case an emergency happens. Security cameras, security cameras before you can get in the building, not allowed to exit doors to get other buildings on campus that you once used, etc...
All freedoms have limits - the 1st Amendment has limits...the 2nd Amendment has limits, I can't own a nuke...we need to tighten the 2nd Amendment further IMHO.
Other countries can do it, this country can do it. And it will, the vast majority wants more control than is currently the situation.
Fight it all you wish, it'll still happen.
The US was founded to be something different though, We resorted to violence and revolution in order to form this nation.
The 2nd amendment was the founding fathers best defense against tyranny, but look at the Govt today, they are obviously hold the upper hand in terms of firepower and somehow the public has been conditioned to accept that...GEe I wonder why a Govt would seek to do that?!!
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