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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest
taxes dont make eliminate poverty and disease, nor do they build infrastructure, thats the myth youve bought into.
All those things are addressed by capitial, consumers and the division of labor,mthe state is but an uneccesary third party that leaches off the principles.
The difference is that with taxes, people of lower income can "pay a lower price" than people with higher incomes. Where in a private system, there is no progressive pricing, everyone has to pay the same dollar amount, which is regressive and breaks the bank of the working class
So if we make America more like Mexico or Guatemala with an even worse public safety net and higher income and wealth inequality, the social problems, despair, poverty and crime rates would improve?
Why absent taxes would we become thirld world? Will you all of the sudden stop wanting clean drinking water?
We are talking about taking bread from the rich and feeding the poor, not about government and infrastructure. Stop making things up as you go along.
No, we are talking about taxes being "theft". Do you believe taxes are theft as well? Everyone should pay out of pocket for schools, health care, libraries, roads, child protection services, fire and police protection, national parks etc?
My agenda is to get people to leave each other alone as opposed to forcing a master plan on society by force, which makes me anti-political. That's another topic though.
Stability within a society is the best way to get people to leave others alone, regardless of the ism in play. No matter whether it's feudalism or capitalism or communism. Or libertarianism.
Traditionally, individuals have been willing to "pay" for that stability. Crops to the Lord. Taxes to the Government. Lack of personal freedom to dictators, authoritarian governments.
The issue is not helping the poor vs punishing the rich ... but rather that once societies become highly unstratified they tend to destabilize. No fun, that.
The difference is that with taxes, people of lower income can "pay a lower price" than people with higher incomes. Where in a private system, there is no progressive pricing, everyone has to pay the same dollar amount, which is regressive and breaks the bank of the working class
The state is a third party, it makes goods and services more expensive and its intrusion into any market sector has the effect of bidding prices up. Witness education and health care, for further proof.
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest
The state is a third party, it makes goods and services more expensive and its intrusion into any market sector has the effect of bidding prices up. Witness education and health care, for further proof.
No, a college education wouldn't suddenly cost $1,000/year with room and board, and a surgery that is now $20,000 wouldn't suddenly cost only $2,000 without government. You are deluding yourself
So what would society look like in your utopia of no taxes, no public services?
Paying your share in taxes is expected. That's about $10-20K per person. Anymore is theft.
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