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Old 12-05-2017, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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No, it's more about him not bowing to an entire UN mandate and resolution declaring Jerusalem an open city. Free for all three religions to use. Jews, Muslims and Christians.
It is not the capital of Israel reserved and owned strictly by Jews. It hasn't been the capital of Israel since AD70. That's almost 2000 years ago.
What right do the Jews have to take it from the rest.

If Jerusalem doesn't belong to Israel, than who does it belong to? Is it its own country, like Vatican City? Is it an "international city"? And what does this mean, exactly? Does it mean that the UN is supposed to administer it? Is there any other place on earth that has such a status as that?

Islam has its holy city in Mecca. Though Christianity doesn't have a holy city per se, a good case could be made for Rome holding that status. But Judaism has had its holy city in Jerusalem since the days of King David. To me it makes sense that the Jewish State of Israel would declare its one and only holy city to be its capital.

 
Old 12-05-2017, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Have you been following the thread? There was law signed in 1995 stating exactly what Trump is doing.
Don't matter one bit.

International law say's it is to be an open city. The 1995 law was strictly a US law passed by a US congress and applicable to only the US.

When did a US law take precedent over an international law?

If we do this, the rest of the world will condemn us for our action and creating a Mideast firestorm, which is exactly what Trump wants.
What better way to deflect from his criminal acts and the walls closing in on him than a good old fashioned conflagration in the middle east?
 
Old 12-05-2017, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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If Jerusalem doesn't belong to Israel, than who does it belong to? Is it its own country, like Vatican City? Is it an "international city"? And what does this mean, exactly? Does it mean that the UN is supposed to administer it? Is there any other place on earth that has such a status as that?

Islam has its holy city in Mecca. Though Christianity doesn't have a holy city per se, a good case could be made for Rome holding that status. But Judaism has had its holy city in Jerusalem since the days of King David. To me it makes sense that the Jewish State of Israel would declare its one and only holy city to be its capital.
It doesn't make any sense at all. Jerusalem has not been the capital of Israel since the Romans captured and destroyed it in 70 AD almost 2000 years ago. What makes it Israel's now, all of a sudden?
 
Old 12-05-2017, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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This would be a great analogy if the rest of the world considered Washington DC and illegal occupation.
It really wouldn't matter what "the rest of the world" (or specifically Islamic terror groups) considered it. Our country, our city, our choice to make it our capital.
 
Old 12-05-2017, 02:19 PM
 
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If Jerusalem doesn't belong to Israel, than who does it belong to? Is it its own country, like Vatican City? Is it an "international city"? And what does this mean, exactly? Does it mean that the UN is supposed to administer it? Is there any other place on earth that has such a status as that?

Islam has its holy city in Mecca. Though Christianity doesn't have a holy city per se, a good case could be made for Rome holding that status. But Judaism has had its holy city in Jerusalem since the days of King David. To me it makes sense that the Jewish State of Israel would declare its one and only holy city to be its capital.
The problem is that the Jewish state of Israel was created by the US, UK and UN, the UN decided that Jerusalem would be an international city. It was never rightfully a part of any modern Israel.
 
Old 12-05-2017, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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The Palestinian State (once it emerges) and Israel would both like to have Jerusalem as their capital. It has never been resolved and it is not an issue for us alone to decide. By moving the embassy to Jerusalem we would de facto be endorsing an excusive claim to the city by one party. The only nation to do so and it would be very provocative.
The Palestinians? You mean the people who refuse to even acknowledge Israel's right to exist? The people who have spent the past several decades doing everything they can to wipe them off the map? I'm sick and tired of this victimization status that the "world community" insists on sticking on the Palestinians, when they are the primary instigators of most of the trouble in that region.

If they want to have any shot of getting a state of their own, they need to stop the terror and publicly recognize Israel's right to exist in peace within secure borders. If they can't even do that, they cannot be negotiated with and should be treated as an enemy combatant. Recognizing Israel's right to exist is not something to be won through negotiation; it is a necessary pre-condition in order to negotiations to even begin.

And as far as I'm concerned, they can forget about ever getting any piece of Jerusalem as their capital. They've spilled too much Jewish blood and have proven themselves entirely unworthy of being entrusted with such a culturally important place. If they ever get statehood, they can have Gaza City or Ramallah as their capital.
 
Old 12-05-2017, 02:22 PM
 
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It really wouldn't matter what "the rest of the world" (or specifically Islamic terror groups) considered it. Our country, our city, our choice to make it our capital.
You seem to be hung up on "Islamic terror groups" to the point of blindness. If Canada attacked us, and we won the war, we don't get to claim Toronto, and we certainly don't get to make it our capital. That's not how things work in the modern world. We would be illegally occupying Canadian territory. Might is right doesn't fly.
 
Old 12-05-2017, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The Palestinians? You mean the people who refuse to even acknowledge Israel's right to exist? The people who have spent the past several decades doing everything they can to wipe them off the map? I'm sick and tired of this victimization status that the "world community" insists on sticking on the Palestinians, when they are the primary instigators of most of the trouble in that region.

If they want to have any shot of getting a state of their own, they need to stop the terror and publicly recognize Israel's right to exist in peace within secure borders. If they can't even do that, they cannot be negotiated with and should be treated as an enemy combatant. Recognizing Israel's right to exist is not something to be won through negotiation; it is a necessary pre-condition in order to negotiations to even begin.

And as far as I'm concerned, they can forget about ever getting any piece of Jerusalem as their capital. They've spilled too much Jewish blood and have proven themselves entirely unworthy of being entrusted with such a culturally important place. If they ever get statehood, they can have Gaza City or Ramallah as their capital.
Please stop with your Israeli propaganda. Israel has done more to eradicate the Palestinians since 1947 than the Palestinians have ever thought of doing to Israel. How many walls have the Palestinians built to wall off Israelis?
How many Israeli homes have the Palestinians bulldozed?
How many illegal settlements have Palestinians built on Israeli land?
 
Old 12-05-2017, 02:25 PM
 
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Has this not been required to do by the US for a couple of decades now? And all presidents do is sign a waiver to extend this requirement by six months?

So you are faulting Trump for not signing a waiver to extend what was already required?
 
Old 12-05-2017, 02:26 PM
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I shall be optimistic and hope that this action will result in 'unintended consequences'.


Perhaps the Palestinian leadership will be spurred to reach an agreement with Israel, dropping some of their demands that Israel simply won't meet. Perhaps Israel may use East Jerusalem as a negotiating tool now, something like 'you drop right of return, you get East Jerusalem for your capital'. Perhaps this move will spur both parties, for there has been no significant movement, that I can recall, since I guess Oslo.


We have heard of all of the dire predictions if this move is made; perhaps something far different will occur.
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