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Old 01-09-2018, 03:21 AM
 
Location: Brusssels
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Originally Posted by LS Jaun View Post
Naw, the only nuts are those that come up with a new gender every month and expect the average American to know each and every 34 categories of gender
Those people are doing nothing to hurt you, yet you feel the need to hate them.

And no, nobody is asking you to know 34 categories of anything. That is just what some outrage machine is telling you.

But methinks you may be afraid deep down that you are one of them. If you are, its completely cool so no need to overcompensate. You be you.

 
Old 01-09-2018, 05:10 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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For the uninitiated:

Gender Fluid | Gender Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia


To me it all sounds like a bunch of crap.
Fair enough. As for me, I think there's an awful lot we still do not understand about human gender & sexuality, so I'm keeping an open mind.
 
Old 01-09-2018, 05:23 AM
 
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Naw, the only nuts are those that come up with a new gender every month and expect the average American to know each and every 34 categories of gender
Yep there is no science to it.

The term gender, as used today, was created -- and I am repeating myself for those who still refuse to look into the ORIGIN of this nonsense -- by a sexologist named John Money who experimented with CHILDREN.

He was a pedophile and child abuser.

He took 2 twin toddler boys, one of whom had a botched circumcism, and tried to convert that one to be a Girl. He forced the kids to simulate sex acts on each other. This went on for YEARS. Then he falsified data that showed it worked (IT DID NOT), wrote up some papers, got pubished, and declared it a success.

It was NOT a success. Ultimately the *girl* knew she was a boy, rejected being a girl and as adults both brothers committed suicide.

But this was heralded as gender neutral success experiment.

Sick Sick Sick.

People need to understand what they are talking about. Most have no idea where this gender nonsense comes from.
 
Old 01-09-2018, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Gender fluidity is just another word for personality - masculinity and femininity are on a scale and both males and females fall along different points on the scale or move along it as they age. That's fine and normal, the issue comes when people conflate personality with sex (but call it gender) and think that being more masculine means being male and being more feminine means being female and if you enjoy both masculine and feminine activities you are somehow inbetween male and female which just isn't so - sex is biology, it's encoded in your DNA and can never change, but it has no impact on your personality and how masculine or feminine you are (the way you are socialised into gender roles however does impact on that, and you are socialised into these rules depending on your sex usually but that's the only connection to sex).

What I would like to see is a world where people can freely express their personalities, where it's fine to be a feminine man or a masculine woman, but without discounting the biological difference between the sexes and keeping certain areas sex-segregated (single sex changing rooms, hospital wards, refuges, prisons etc.).

Intersex people are still either male or female, just males and females born with chromosomal abnormalities that affect their reproductive systems, and they do not wish to be dragged into the trans argument.
 
Old 01-09-2018, 05:37 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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Originally Posted by Natsku View Post
Gender fluidity is just another word for personality - masculinity and femininity are on a scale and both males and females fall along different points on the scale or move along it as they age. That's fine and normal, the issue comes when people conflate personality with sex (but call it gender) and think that being more masculine means being male and being more feminine means being female and if you enjoy both masculine and feminine activities you are somehow inbetween male and female which just isn't so - sex is biology, it's encoded in your DNA and can never change, but it has no impact on your personality and how masculine or feminine you are (the way you are socialised into gender roles however does impact on that, and you are socialised into these rules depending on your sex usually but that's the only connection to sex).

What I would like to see is a world where people can freely express their personalities, where it's fine to be a feminine man or a masculine woman, but without discounting the biological difference between the sexes and keeping certain areas sex-segregated (single sex changing rooms, hospital wards, refuges, prisons etc.).

Intersex people are still either male or female, just males and females born with chromosomal abnormalities that affect their reproductive systems, and they do not wish to be dragged into the trans argument.
And what if a person is a chimera in which some cells are XX and some XY? Gender is not really so clearcut, which is the point I was trying to make earlier. There's a lot we don't yet understand about the way the human body works.
 
Old 01-09-2018, 05:42 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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That is your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it. There are millions of people who disagree with you, and that is okay too. Part of the beauty of America.


I personally do not approve of sex changes or multiple genders either, but I am okay with people being whatever they want to be. They stay out of my business, and I stay out of theirs.
I wish it were that simple. Unfortunately these deviants want to involve the rest of us via "acceptance laws" and social trends Du jour that compel the majority to embrace such silly theories.
 
Old 01-09-2018, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
Yep there is no science to it.

The term gender, as used today, was created -- and I am repeating myself for those who still refuse to look into the ORIGIN of this nonsense -- by a sexologist named John Money who experimented with CHILDREN.

He was a pedophile and child abuser.

He took 2 twin toddler boys, one of whom had a botched circumcism, and tried to convert that one to be a Girl. He forced the kids to simulate sex acts on each other. This went on for YEARS. Then he falsified data that showed it worked (IT DID NOT), wrote up some papers, got pubished, and declared it a success.

It was NOT a success. Ultimately the *girl* knew she was a boy, rejected being a girl and as adults both brothers committed suicide.

But this was heralded as gender neutral success experiment.

Sick Sick Sick.

People need to understand what they are talking about. Most have no idea where this gender nonsense comes from.
The research done since (including the two brain studies I've mentioned) has nothing to do with John Money, but you've been told that before.
 
Old 01-09-2018, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Yep there is no science to it.
Says the one posting hysterical ravings about ZOMG JOHN MONEY!! (who has no influence on current research).

But, look! ....science!

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Transsexuals experience themselves as being of the opposite sex, despite having the biological characteristics of one sex. A crucial question resulting from a previous brain study in male-to-female transsexuals was whether the reported difference according to gender identity in the central part of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc) was based on a neuronal difference in the BSTc itself or just a reflection of a difference in vasoactive intestinal polypeptide innervation from the amygdala, which was used as a marker. Therefore, we determined in 42 subjects the number of somatostatin-expressing neurons in the BSTc in relation to sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and past or present hormonal status. Regardless of sexual orientation, men had almost twice as many somatostatin neurons as women (P < 0.006). The number of neurons in the BSTc of male-to-female transsexuals was similar to that of the females (P = 0.83). In contrast, the neuron number of a female-to-male transsexual was found to be in the male range. Hormone treatment or sex hormone level variations in adulthood did not seem to have influenced BSTc neuron numbers. The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193

Transsexuals have the strong feeling, often from childhood onwards, of having been born the wrong sex. The possible psychogenic or biological aetiology of transsexuality has been the subject of debate for many years. Here we show that the volume of the central subdivision of the bed nucleus of the stria terminals (BSTc), a brain area that is essential for sexual behaviour, is larger in men than in women. A female-sized BSTc was found in male-to-female transsexuals. The size of the BSTc was not influenced by sex hormones in adulthood and was independent of sexual orientation. Our study is the first to show a female brain structure in genetically male transsexuals and supports the hypothesis that gender identity develops as a result of an interaction between the developing brain and sex hormones.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289
 
Old 01-09-2018, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Finland
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And what if a person is a chimera in which some cells are XX and some XY? Gender is not really so clearcut, which is the point I was trying to make earlier. There's a lot we don't yet understand about the way the human body works.
Then they are an outlier, which doesn't change the fact that humans are a species with two sexes, just like a person being born with one leg doesn't change the fact that humans are a bipedal species.
 
Old 01-09-2018, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Brusssels
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Yep there is no science to it.
LOL, I've posted so many scientific papers on it her already...but you CHOOSE TO IGNORE the science.

Who hurt you so badly?
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