Do you honestly think Putin is a bad guy? (Iraq, politician, parties)

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by Weichert

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Uranium One. Prevezon. Reset. Fusion GPS. Simpson.


Russian firm that promised to pay US millions after money-laundering settlement misses deadline
By Michael Weiss, CNN

Updated 3:45 PM ET, Thu November 2, 2017
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Michael Weiss: Prevezon Holdings Ltd., a company accused by the US government of laundering stolen Russian taxpayer money, has missed the deadline to pay a $5.9 million settlement
Michael Weiss is a national security analyst for CNN and author of "ISIS: Inside the Army of Terror."

(CNN)There's a curious new twist in the international money-laundering case which first propelled Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who met with senior members of the Trump campaign in June 2016, into the American spotlight.

The Russian company that became widely known after disclosure of the Trump Tower meeting declared that it would have to miss the deadline this week for paying the US government nearly $6 million dollars in a civil settlement because it is now under investigation by Dutch authorities.
Word of Prevezon Holdings Ltd's professed inability to meet the deadline for payment came in a court filing in New York's Southern District. The Cyprus-registered company had been accused in a civil asset forfeiture case by the US Justice Department of having laundered millions in stolen Russian taxpayer money through the Manhattan real estate market. Shortly before the case was to go to trial, Prevezon settled with the government and agreed to pay $5.9 million without admitting guilt. The deadline for that payment was October 31, 2017.
Prevezon, which has been represented by Veselnitskaya in its case with the US government, has claimed that its refusal to pay on time is related to a hold placed on its funds held in the Netherlands in connection with a separate money laundering complaint filed in that country.
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According to a letter from US Attorney Joon H. Kim to Judge William H. Pauley III, the US government had agreed to request that the government of the Netherlands allow payment of a debt, amounting to 3,068,946 Euros, or about $3.6 million dollars, owed to Prevezon by AFI Europe, a Netherlands-registered company.
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The Dutch authorities had originally frozen that transaction as part of the US civil litigation. Upon relinquishment of the funds to Prevezon, as per the settlement, the company was granted 15 days to remit the full $5.9 million to Uncle Sam.
While the Netherlands complied with the Justice Department's request to unfreeze the debt in relation to the New York case on October 10, that same day, Kim writes, "Netherlands authorities seized the AFI Europe Debt based on their own independent investigation of Prevezon for money laundering, which relates to similar subject matter to this case ...The [US] Government did not request this seizure, the Netherlands authorities did not seek, or require, the Government's approval, and it is not part of or dependent on this action or the previous US-requested restraint, which has been fully released."
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The curious rise of Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who met Team Trump
The letter continues that Prevezon has "advised the [US] Government that, in light of the seizure, it may refuse to make the required payment as due, and has requested extra time for its owner to 'consider his options,' including a possible motion to relieve Prevezon of its payment obligation." If that deadline is missed, letter said, the US Attorney intends to "file a motion seeking enforcement -- including appropriate relief for late payment."
This is the first documentary evidence that Natalia Veselnitskaya's client is not quite free and clear of its legal troubles. The US alleged that Prevezon was the beneficiary of some of the funds acquired in a 2007 tax fraud perpetrated by a Russian state-backed transnational criminal organization known as the Klyuev Group.
Prevezon, which is owned by Denis Katsyv, the son of Pyotr Katsyv, a powerful Russian government official, has maintained that it was never the recipient of any purloined money. But rather than take the money laundering case to trial, it settled out of court in May.

[craigiri]

Originally Posted by YuMart

Like loves to watch child pornography and rape children bad? Seems there is an endless amount of hate against him when at worst he's guilty of having his friends make facebook posts against Hillary.

He's a murderer who has plundered the wealth of his country for himself and a select few of his friends. He took his country from a place where they were starting to have laws (freedom of speech, gathering, journalism) and using murder, intimidation, torture, etc. he decided he wanted it like the old Russia.

He changed the laws so he can be Dictator or Controller for life.

He is messing with elections and with other aspects of life all over the world - and not in a good way. He has no "Russian Way" of living which is going to help the planet. He has some oil and guns.

Other than that, he's a fine man. A perfect Republican type.

[erasure]

Originally Posted by sd-bound

Yeah he's just a regular politician like we have here. I've never seen so many Russian suckups before, who sound like they can't wait to sell out their country.

Either that or they're Russian nationalists...

No, not "regular like we have here."
See, Russians practically never had the multi-party system, and that's the difference
The last time they've had chance to acquire it, Americans (democrat Clinton specifically) prevented this from happening, preferring to place all the wealth of the country ( and hence the political power) into the hands of the few people, loyal to $$$ and their American overseers.
And that's what begot someone like Putin, when all this concentrated power ( and money) have been passed to him, unexpectedly for the US. gov.

[erasure]

Originally Posted by craigiri

He's a murderer who has plundered the wealth of his country for himself and a select few of his friends. He took his country from a place where they were starting to have laws (freedom of speech, gathering, journalism) and using murder, intimidation, torture, etc. he decided he wanted it like the old Russia.

He changed the laws so he can be Dictator or Controller for life.

He is messing with elections and with other aspects of life all over the world - and not in a good way. He has no "Russian Way" of living which is going to help the planet. He has some oil and guns.

Other than that, he's a fine man. A perfect Republican type.

Oh, quit spewing American propaganda.
It was not Putin, but America's darling Yeltsin, who "has plundered the wealth of his country for himself and a select few of his friends." Only at that point in time Americans called it "freedom of speech" and "democracy," because Yeltsin was doing what they told him to do.
It's when Yeltsin passed all this power to Putin, Washington was not happy at all.

[craigiri]

Originally Posted by erasure

And that's what begot someone like Putin, when all this concentrated power ( and money) have been passed to him, unexpectedly for the US. gov.

Read a bit of WikiPedia......

When the Soviet Union fell apart it completely fell apart. Whoever was the power in the particular area got the stuff. For example, if you were Paul Ryan and there was a 10 billion dollar a year cheese factory in your state - and you were the top pol there - it became yours. The most you had to do was make a phone call and ask.

Now - if you got your arms plant or oil wells or whatever and you uttered an unfavorable word about Putin or anyone who preceded him....well, they just took it away and gave it to themselves. Putin did that with the gas company, the media companies, etc.

Now they are all moving to Florida and having Anchor Babies (lots of articles, look them up) and buying up large parts of the USA with that money - money which belongs to the Russia People.

It reminds me of WV - a state where the people were ripped off for all the resources and riches and the wealth ended up in NYC and London. And then we wonder.......

THIS would truly be America First. To "redistribute" the trillions taken from "the people" in a fair manner.

Bad guy? Don't make me laugh. The same question was asked of GW Bush who threw the entire world into recession and war. How many dead people make someone a bad guy?

[Weichert]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

Uranium One. Prevezon. Reset. Fusion GPS. Simpson

???

[craigiri]

Originally Posted by erasure

Oh, quit spewing American propaganda.

It's when Yeltsin passed all this power to Putin, Washington was not happy at all.

No one is forcing Putin and his friends to continue to r-ape their country and have anchor babies here and use the money to buy investments for themselves all over the world.

If he wanted to, Putin could wake up in the morning and say "we are going to follow the British, French, American and Canadian Way and change things right away.

That's BS to talk about what already happened when FULL CONTROL is maintained today by an evil murderer. Nothing forces him to kill his rivals. Nothing forces him to mess with American elections.

He IS the problem (one of them), the other being that Russia does not desire the type of civilization that the rest of the world does. They prefer a more Brutish style - I'm big and have more guns and therefore what's yours is mine...and not only that, I am going to ship all our wealth overseas so when this sewer we call Russia goes into Revolution again most of it will already be plundered.

[erasure]

Originally Posted by craigiri

Read a bit of WikiPedia......

When the Soviet Union fell apart it completely fell apart. Whoever was the power in the particular area got the stuff. For example, if you were Paul Ryan and there was a 10 billion dollar a year cheese factory in your state - and you were the top pol there - it became yours. The most you had to do was make a phone call and ask.

Then quit reading Wikipedia. God knows who wrote that article and why.
Read what it REALLY was.

//www.city-data.com/forum/histo...-union-10.html

[erasure]

Originally Posted by craigiri

No one is forcing Putin and his friends to continue to r-ape their country and have anchor babies here and use the money to buy investments for themselves all over the world.

Wait a minute...
Who is forcing Trump (Mnuchin and the rest) to acquire more and more money, to cut the taxes for the wealthy and the rest?

[Weichert]

Originally Posted by erasure

Wait a minute...
Who is forcing Trump (Mnuchin and the rest) to acquire more and more money, to cut the taxes for the wealthy and the rest?

And plunge the US into more debt.

Who do you think?