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Old 01-28-2018, 04:03 PM
 
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Therefore why is he there, instigating the mass protest, for anything other than *engineering his own arrest?*
But then, again, may be his American overseers are paying him for these actions?
I really don't know.
Since you know so much, can you tell us why your country is a complete failure - and always was? Why don't you have a diverse economy? Why can't you learn to be civilized (Russians are always voted #1 as the worst tourists elsewhere in the world)....

Serious question - are you teaching these dictatorial ways to your children? I have to assume so because in the USA anyone can run for POTUS and then decide not to run...and even register for the other party and vote against their own candidates. We even ran a Pig for President one year.

What a shame the "authoritarian" DNA doesn't seem to leave the Russian people.

 
Old 01-28-2018, 04:07 PM
 
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Navalny is in a very tough spot at this point in time.
To begin with - he is not a very popular politician among Russians.
So once he was barred from participating in elections, he was calling for the boycott of elections.
However the guy that the CPRF ( and the rest of the "left") have appointed for presidential race, is taking a lot of Navalny's voters in his camp, since he is rooting for small-medium business as well. And the left are calling people to get out and vote, warning that "if you don't vote, your bulletins will be used by Putin."
So all this makes Navalny desperate, and that's why he is asking for trouble, bringing HIS followers on the streets. He is already playing va banque from what I can see...
Thanks for the explanation, comrade.
 
Old 01-28-2018, 04:15 PM
 
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Meanwhile there is a countrywide protest against such a nice man:

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/...st-putin-60309
 
Old 01-28-2018, 04:35 PM
 
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Yes, that's the bill of goods I am peddling more or less.
Navalny already knows that he has no chance to run for president, he knows that his support is not all that big, and he won't get any reinforcement from the "left" forces as it used to be before. Because he already betrayed Sergey Udaltsov, who stood with him side by side during previous protests. ( Udaltsov talked about it all, once he was set free from jail where he spent few years.)
So why Navalny even bothers?
It's obvious that his actions will do no good to anyone, since the biggest part of Putin's opposition is running the election campaign the legal way, and calling people to vote, against Navalny's appeals to ignore the elections.

Therefore why is he there, instigating the mass protest, for anything other than *engineering his own arrest?*
But then, again, may be his American overseers are paying him for these actions?
I really don't know.
Navalny had a had a very remote chance of winning, so what did Putin gain by banning him from running.
 
Old 01-28-2018, 04:45 PM
 
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He's a stone cold killer. Former KGB. Rose to power by bombing a building and blaming it on the Muslims ( as if they needed any encouragement). Poisoned at least two or three people with polonium. Locks up or " disappears" dissidents including girl band ***** riot.

Great guy. Think I'll have him over for dinner. He'd be ill-advised to drink the proffered wine though.
And this is different from any other head of state...including the U.S.?
 
Old 01-28-2018, 04:51 PM
 
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Since you know so much, can you tell us why your country is a complete failure - and always was?
I'd say it's the other way around; keeping in mind how much was stacked AGAINST this country from the early days on, Russia actually persevered amazingly well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE6rSljTwdU


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Why don't you have a diverse economy?
Because that's what the *American economists* wanted, while sitting in Kremlin back in the 90ies. They wanted to turn Russia into the appendix, supplying the natural resources for the West - the way it used to be before the 1917. And that's how the major investments into oil/gas industry were made right away after the fall of the S.U. And that's why basically the economy is running on this basis until today.



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Why can't you learn to be civilized (Russians are always voted #1 as the worst tourists elsewhere in the world)....
Because the majority of Russian population are descendants of peasantry, and life in Russia was always about survival. If people were not working in the field, then they were fighting to protect their land, and this kind of people ( or genes if you wish) do not breed particularly "nice and polite" people, but mostly hardened and spiteful. Russian upper class (and so-called intelligentsia) on another hand is as refined as it can be. They just don't get out of the country that much, and when they do, no one notice that they are "Russians")))

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Serious question - are you teaching these dictatorial ways to your children? I have to assume so because in the USA anyone can run for POTUS and then decide not to run...and even register for the other party and vote against their own candidates. We even ran a Pig for President one year.
I don't teach my children any "dictatorial ways," but you need to understand that the US situation is very DIFFERENT from situation in Russia's case. The US didn't need to worry ( well at least until recent times) that anyone would intervene in its internal process of governing, since the US banking system is pulling the strings around the world - i.e. up to the point that it buys the governments in certain countries, that then serve American interests. Since this was a case in Russia back in the 90ies as well and it brought disastrous consequences for the nation, Russians are weary of such possibilities in the future, and that's why they are VERY suspicious about any possible dissent - has it been paid and supported from abroad again ( namely - from the US.) And that's why the support for Putin is that high among the general population.

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What a shame the "authoritarian" DNA doesn't seem to leave the Russian people.
As I pointed above, there are reasons for that.
 
Old 01-28-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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Thanks for the explanation, comrade.
You are welcome
 
Old 01-28-2018, 05:01 PM
 
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And this is different from any other head of state...including the U.S.?
Previous to Trump, I don't remember any of them just taking billion dollar corporations for themselves - shutting down media and making their own, etc.

There are always similarities when great power is being wielded...but the question is how far down that road you go.

I don't think we have a system where a guy can virtually run the country for decades....while using his power to make sure he can continue to do so.....

He certainly is making sure he and his friends ship all the wealth of the country overseas:

"Gains have been distributed unevenly, as the 110 wealthiest individuals were found in a report by Credit Suisse to own 35% of all financial assets held by Russian households. Russia also has the second-largest volume of illicit money outflows, having lost over $880 billion between 2002 and 2011 in this way"
 
Old 01-28-2018, 05:09 PM
 
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As I pointed above, there are reasons for that.
The Brits were machine gunning the world - the French cutting off the heads of the elite, etc. - just a short time ago. They changed.

The Scandinavians were some of the most brutal people on the planet - also having to scratch out a living. They don't have anywhere near the resources of Russia.

And yet they have become rich and civilized...

In general, the US should leave Russia alone - EXCEPT, now that Putin has decided to involve himself in our elections and special KGB operations, the gloves have to come off. I think much of this is backfiring on Russia (sanctions) and - if and when we get a sane government here in the USA, you better believe Russia won't be a preferred trading partner if they decide they want to spend their time and money buying Facebook and Twitter ads to get their fav candidates elected.

Do Russians like liars? I'm trying to figure out what they see in Trump...who, by any measure, is one of the most unpleasant people on the world stage and a liar who puts other politicians to shame. I doubt Russia has ignorant people like don the con in positions of power....so why would you want to deal with a fool?
 
Old 01-28-2018, 05:17 PM
 
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Navalny had a had a very remote chance of winning, so what did Putin gain by banning him from running.
It's a very good question.
One can only wonder where/what line did he cross ( personally?) with anyone in Putin's camp, that they decided to stomp hard on him.
Earlier he was playing a convenient role of being not a dangerous contender on one hand, yet providing an illusion of "democratic election process" on the other.
I wonder what exactly changed in the game.
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