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I don't deny any of the crimes and corruption in russia. All that I'm saying and a few others here is that the u.s. is not much different.
Well, I beg to differ. Certainly there's corruption, but I fail to notice the opposition politicians being thrown in jail. Or the journalists. Or the media outlets being closed.
Of course, if you're arguing that absence of evidence is actually evidence of efficient cover-up, we're probably not going to have a very interesting conversation.
Well, I beg to differ. Certainly there's corruption, but I fail to notice the opposition politicians being thrown in jail. Or the journalists. Or the media outlets being closed.
Of course, if you're arguing that absence of evidence is actually evidence of efficient cover-up, we're probably not going to have a very interesting conversation.
There are many ways to silence journalists, many are just taken off the air if they get out of line [their salaries are even paid for years so they stay silent], a few have died in "accidents", and media outlets are bought out all the time.
I did showed evidence of 12 americans assassinated, dozens of foreign leaders, and 100 political prisoners in the u.s., so your comment is right out dishonest, I'm not arguing out of absence of evidence, what I said is that only part of the evidence is available.
Like loves to watch child pornography and rape children bad? Seems there is an endless amount of hate against him when at worst he's guilty of having his friends make facebook posts against Hillary.
You clearly know nothing of Putin. The dudes trash. Not much different from Saddam, only his country has nukes already.
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I think he's a Russian Nationalist in the same way Trump is an American Nationalist. I've got nothing against Putin in fact, if it were actually true that he helped elect Trump, I would thank him.
Pitiful.
Outside influence in American elections is as petty much as un-American as one can get.
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Though Logo may have a point. How soon until the U.S. will not be much different than Russia.
How long before political opponents will be jailed?
How long until reporters will be shot dead in front of the WH?
With how the GOP is trying to totally discredit the FBI because they're worried Mueller's investigation will cost them majorities, we're on our way!
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I could not disagree with you more wholeheartedly.
So would my ancestor, who at the age of seventeen spent the winter at Valley Forge with George Washington and his troops.
So would my other ancestors, who immigrated from Ulster to America in 1790.
So would my French Huguenot ancestors, who came to the Virginia Colony in 1700.
The first fought for freedom and democracy. The second ancestors came here for economic and personal freedom. The last group came here for religious freedom and freedom from persecution unto death for their religious beliefs.
All found here what they sought. I intend to honor my ancestors and honor my country's roots and highest aspirations, and to continue to serve my country with my skills and talents.
To equate the historically high ideals of the United States of America with the history and current state of Russia is to demonstrate both ignorance of our own history and roots (in the 18th century Age of Reason) and enormous cynicism and degradation approaching that of Putin's supporters.
Putin is a murderer, a thief, and a liar.
No one of his ilk has yet presided over the United States of America, nor has our governmental system ever previously allowed such distortions of the foundations of our democracy to prevail. We have elected weak and deeply flawed presidents previously, no one can deny that - but our democracy has continued, only temporarily impeded by the results of such weaknesses and flaws.
It will continue, and we will thrive.
^^
Russia is under a dictatorship. It exists for Putin and his cronies. Everything is on the decline there.
The US has shown the ability to weather bad leadership repeatedly. The checks and balances have kept the foundation of our country in place. Regardless of the actions of the government, the people have still thrived.
Lincoln rolling in one direction, and Reagan spinning the other way ...
FYI, Lincoln was allied to Russia during his time. Russian Empire was allies with the United States during the Revolutionary War and allies with the Union during the Civil War. John Quincy Adams was one of the first US Ministers to Russia.
Russia was allied to the United States for well over a hundred years, from the very beginning until the Russian Revolution when United States army invaded Vladivostok.
Like loves to watch child pornography and rape children bad? Seems there is an endless amount of hate against him when at worst he's guilty of having his friends make facebook posts against Hillary.
Putin is the reason we have a Trump Presidency. Putin is definitely evil. Like Trump, Putin can't be trusted.
FYI, Lincoln was allied to Russia during his time. Russian Empire was allies with the United States during the Revolutionary War and allies with the Union during the Civil War. John Quincy Adams was one of the first US Ministers to Russia.
Oh, I have an idea that the poster was not relating Lincoln to Russia.
There are many ways to silence journalists, many are just taken off the air if they get out of line [their salaries are even paid for years so they stay silent], a few have died in "accidents", and media outlets are bought out all the time.
I did showed evidence of 12 americans assassinated, dozens of foreign leaders, and 100 political prisoners in the u.s., so your comment is right out dishonest, I'm not arguing out of absence of evidence, what I said is that only part of the evidence is available.
7/10 is better than 2/10. You appear not to appreciate that fact.
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My point is that he is a politician, just like american politicians.
I don't deny any of the crimes and corruption in russia. All that I'm saying and a few others here is that the u.s. is not much different. A long history of political prisoners, whistle-blowers die from "robberies gone wrong", others die in car accidents, dozen of world leaders and other important people die in plane crashes.
The only different is that they are better covered up, therefore silenced. I'm making this up, right?
This is just small example, the vast majority of it is covered up.
"Not much different" is not the correct comparison. The US, for its flaws, is much better than Putin's Russia on measures of political and economic liberty. It is not close.
One of your links is a conspiracy website. One is both incomplete and uses a poor methodology. The third is good.
7/10 is better than 2/10. You appear not to appreciate that fact.
"Not much different" is not the correct comparison. The US, for its flaws, is much better than Putin's Russia on measures of political and economic liberty. It is not close.
One of your links is a conspiracy website. One is both incomplete and uses a poor methodology. The third is good.
The reason why russian corruption and criminal activities are widely reported is obvious; almost total control of media + censorship. Read russian news, it's the same from the opposite side, russian corruption to a minimum, american corruption as much as possible.
Let's see you links: buzzfeed? really? I like busines insider but I couldn't read that article, the first sentence says two dozens, then two sentence later 33 deaths and the source is buzzfeed. Your first link is good, a few specific cases of assassinations.
If you want to argue that the u.s. corruption and censorship is more humane than the russian counter part, I would say despite more efficient means like more money and better cover ups, the results are not much different, manipulation and lies for the masses.
The reason why russian corruption and criminal activities are widely reported is obvious; almost total control of media + censorship. Read russian news, it's the same from the opposite side, russian corruption to a minimum, american corruption as much as possible.
Let's see you links: buzzfeed? really? I like busines insider but I couldn't read that article, the first sentence says two dozens, then two sentence later 33 deaths and the source is buzzfeed. Your first link is good, a few specific cases of assassinations.
If you want to argue that the u.s. corruption and censorship is more humane than the russian counter part, I would say despite more efficient means like more money and better cover ups, the results are not much different, manipulation and lies for the masses.
The Buzzfeed article is great, independent, investigative reporting. We don't have State media in the United States. RT is, quite literally, Russian State media and is widely criticized by journalism scholars, NGOs, and others.
Russia has quality, independent journalists. They are frequently killed and/or jailed. Russia is one of the world's worst countries for press freedom. You should not trust Russian media.
US media is not controlled by the State. The results of US media and Russian media are extraordinarily different.
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