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Putin had nothing to do with the ANTI-OBAMA movement. Obama and the Democrats did all that by themselves pushing a left wing agenda when they had control of all branches of government and pushed Obamacare and raised spending.
You make it sound that Putin controls the American media, American newspapers, Wall Street and the entertainment industry which is very political and very Pro Obama and liberal. That is how clueless you sound.
Before Obama, it was W BUSH and before him Bill Clinton....same politics of division and hate that Putin had nothing to do with it.
Who is "they"? the same globalists of endless wars and endless occupations that got us into this mess scaring you about Putin is going to destroy us from within because we are a divided country politically and memes? LMAO!!!!
tell me when you want to invade Russia. Are you going to volunteer for the invasion?......aren't you tired of endless wars and endless occupations? We have been non-stop since WW 2, obviously not!.........you want to go to war with Iran, Russia, North Korea.......is China good with you or they are also our enemy trying to destroy us within?
The russia hysteria continue with the new russian list. Here's what reuters said:
Officials and others named said it amounted to little more than a copy of last year's Forbes list of Russia's wealthiest people - with some factual mistakes thrown in.
"It seems no-one decided to look too deeply. They just copied Forbes list," said one oligarch whose name is on the list but who had distanced himself from Russian investments and Putin's inner circle.
Last year's list in Forbes magazine estimated the total wealth of the oligarchs listed at almost $400 billion.
On the one side you have the u.s. clinging to world power through lies and force. And on the other side, russia, influencing the world through subtle ideology. Just as planned.
All those people that criticize trump for being too soft on russia are blindly following what are paid to say. Trump can't even understand why the sanctions on russia. This is the puppet show of the most powerful governments in the world.
I think he's a Russian Nationalist in the same way Trump is an American Nationalist. I've got nothing against Putin in fact, if it were actually true that he helped elect Trump, I would thank him.
Really? Thank Putin for interfering with our elections? What a Patriot! What have the Great do nothing Republicans done since they’ve been in office? They have shown they can’t handle the job.
Like loves to watch child pornography and rape children bad? Seems there is an endless amount of hate against him when at worst he's guilty of having his friends make facebook posts against Hillary.
In modern day America, have we actually sunk so low as to debate whether Putin is a bad guy or not?!??! WTF! This is a no brainer. Putin is NO good at all, people. There should be near universal consensus on that question. Trump has so corrupted the dialogue that you have American voters defending the honor of V. Putin. This is astonishing. Reagan should be spinning in his grave right about now.
I think he's a Russian Nationalist in the same way Trump is an American Nationalist. I've got nothing against Putin in fact, if it were actually true that he helped elect Trump, I would thank him.
I sincerely hope that you are only misinformed.
1) It is illegal for foreign governments to interfere in our elections. Among the (many) offenses committed: espionage, computer fraud, wire fraud, and unlawful campaign donations. Not only is it illegal, but it resulted in the election of a compromised, corrupt American President.
2) Putin is the head of a corrupt, fascist government. Dissidents and journalists are routinely killed and jailed. The connection of oligarchs and the State apparatus is seamless. Putin's government and his oligarchs, as a matter of course, spread their corruption into the legitimate international economy.
3) Russia has twice invaded weaker, neighboring States in order to take territory.
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Originally Posted by Tatooine
He kills reporters. He kills dissidents. He's all but ended fledgling democracy in Russia. He's destroyed the Russian economy by allowing all the wealth to be locked up into the bank accounts of his oligarchs. He hacked the State Department. He's hacking our power companies. He invades sovereign countries. He encouraged massive bombing in Syria to drive refugees into Europe and USA to try to destabilize the West.
Yeah, he's a bad guy. Try reading a little if you don't know about him.
Seriously. He also offered support for Syrian war crimes and committed war crimes in Chechnya.
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Originally Posted by Redshadowz
Nice story bro. Do you actually believe it?
As No_Recess said, he is a politician like the rest of them. Russia is just like America. It has the same power structure, it has the same institutions, it has the same interests.
Be careful about drinking too much of the government and media Kool-aid, it is bad for ya.
If all of this was as true and obvious as you claim, why is he even president? Why does he win elections? Are the elections not real? At least, as real as ours?
I think most of what you read about Putin is at best exaggerated, and at worst completely fabricated.
The story is, some guy in Russia who said mean things about Putin gets murdered, and the claim is that Putin had him killed. Yet, millions of Americans say mean things about Trump every day. Does that mean if one of them gets murdered, Trump personally ordered it?
You would think that if Putin was such a killer, who wielded such absolute control over Russia, that no one would dare run against him.
Russian election are not real by any modern definition of democracy. State control of media & the electoral apparatus (preventing candidates from registering for the ballots, for example) have routinely tipped elections in the direction of Mr. Putin. Irregularities at the polls are widespread.
Autocracy is not the same form of government as representative government. A balance/separation of powers is not the same as oligarchy. The rule of law is not the same as corruption. Putin & his oligarchs control the FSB. They control the State media. They control the national economy.
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Originally Posted by thelogo
The russia hysteria continue with the new russian list. Here's what reuters said:
Officials and others named said it amounted to little more than a copy of last year's Forbes list of Russia's wealthiest people - with some factual mistakes thrown in.
"It seems no-one decided to look too deeply. They just copied Forbes list," said one oligarch whose name is on the list but who had distanced himself from Russian investments and Putin's inner circle.
Last year's list in Forbes magazine estimated the total wealth of the oligarchs listed at almost $400 billion.
On the one side you have the u.s. clinging to world power through lies and force. And on the other side, russia, influencing the world through subtle ideology. Just as planned.
All those people that criticize trump for being too soft on russia are blindly following what are paid to say. Trump can't even understand why the sanctions on russia. This is the puppet show of the most powerful governments in the world.
Trump won't enforce the sanctions because they are for Russia's support for Trump's election (and the likelihood that Trump is compromised by FSB is extraordinarily high). The sources of US power have historically been military power, diplomacy, and liberal trade policy. The sources of Russian power are primarily mineral wealth, espionage, and corruption. There is nothing subtle about Russian foreign policy. Trump is simply too weak, or too compromised, to confront it.
Like loves to watch child pornography and rape children bad? Seems there is an endless amount of hate against him when at worst he's guilty of having his friends make facebook posts against Hillary.
Is this a joke thread?
Just having people murdered who are running against you or that are verbal about your policies I'd say is a bit on the "bad guy" list...
1) It is illegal for foreign governments to interfere in our elections. Among the (many) offenses committed: espionage, computer fraud, wire fraud, and unlawful campaign donations. Not only is it illegal, but it resulted in the election of a compromised, corrupt American President.
2) Putin is the head of a corrupt, fascist government. Dissidents and journalists are routinely killed and jailed. The connection of oligarchs and the State apparatus is seamless. Putin's government and his oligarchs, as a matter of course, spread their corruption into the legitimate international economy.
3) Russia has twice invaded weaker, neighboring States in order to take territory.
Seriously. He also offered support for Syrian war crimes and committed war crimes in Chechnya.
Russian election are not real by any modern definition of democracy. State control of media & the electoral apparatus (preventing candidates from registering for the ballots, for example) have routinely tipped elections in the direction of Mr. Putin. Irregularities at the polls are widespread.
Autocracy is not the same form of government as representative government. A balance/separation of powers is not the same as oligarchy. The rule of law is not the same as corruption. Putin & his oligarchs control the FSB. They control the State media. They control the national economy.
Trump won't enforce the sanctions because they are for Russia's support for Trump's election (and the likelihood that Trump is compromised by FSB is extraordinarily high). The sources of US power have historically been military power, diplomacy, and liberal trade policy. The sources of Russian power are primarily mineral wealth, espionage, and corruption. There is nothing subtle about Russian foreign policy. Trump is simply too weak, or too compromised, to confront it.
I will respond to every one of your comments.
1) The u.s don't only interfere in elections all over the world, they systematic support coups, bribe, and corrupt politicians in many countries.
2) Corruption? It is essential legal to bribe and corrupt politicians in washington dc.They call it lobbying.
3) Twice? Do you know how many countries the u.s. has invaded?
Russia supports a government that has the support of the majority of the population of Syria, The u.s. systematically support "rebels", aka terrorists.
If you want to talk about democracy in russia, then you perhaps should look at the fact that the u.s. continue to support monarchies and dictatorships to the present day. They were the first country to congratulate the government of Honduras las month, even though it changed the constitution for re-election and on top of that stole the general elections. Not even the oas, a wahsington dc puppet organization recognized the fraud.
Like the rest of people you are ill informed. The u.s. has always been an ally of russia, even during the cold war it supported them, and more so after the collapse of the ussr. The primary source of power for the u.s. is the military like you said (I called it force) and lies (or corruption). Not to say russians are not corrupt, but they are where they are primarily thanks to the west. If that wasn't the case their minerals would be almost as good as they are for africans. They know their ideology is their stronger weapon, and people can't even see how they are influenced, or I should say manipulated. And I'm not talking about fake news, it deeper than that.
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