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Old 01-27-2018, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Huh?
What? When?
You're right, my mistake. He wasn't head of the KGB.

Still, KGB is not synonymous with 'bunch of good guys'.

 
Old 01-27-2018, 08:28 PM
 
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Like loves to watch child pornography and rape children bad? Seems there is an endless amount of hate against him when at worst he's guilty of having his friends make facebook posts against Hillary.
Apart from him being pretty much a textbook fascist?
 
Old 01-27-2018, 08:33 PM
 
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Agree with your whole post. Putin backed Trump because he recognized the makings of a dictator/authoritarian in him.
I can't follow you there. Putin saw Trump is the simpleton populist he is and realized that his election would cause the US to lose influence on the world's stage - which is exactly what has happened. That is most certainly in Putin's interest.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 08:33 PM
 
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You're right, my mistake. He wasn't head of the KGB.

Still, KGB is not synonymous with 'bunch of good guys'.
No, of course not.
So he was some KGB officer, who later worked for some *very democratic* mayor of St. Petersburg, and later introduced to even *bigger democrat* B.N. Yeltsin by one of the most prominent oligarchs.
The rest is history. Yeltsin personally chose him as his appointee for the role of the next president.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 08:38 PM
 
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Putin is Russian. He's gonna do what's best for Russia. Who would expect less? Did they meddle in our elections? Yes, that's what governments try to do. Every year the United States government via the CIA & State Department meddle in elections all over the globe! Where is the liberals moral outrage over that? Liberals and Democrats couldn't even win an election they tried to rig. Sorry azz losers.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 08:40 PM
 
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I can't follow you there. Putin saw Trump is the simpleton populist he is and realized that his election would cause the US to lose influence on the world's stage - which is exactly what has happened. That is most certainly in Putin's interest.
You are reading too much into it.
Putin and Co didn't want Clinton, period.
If it were Sanders instead of Trump, they wouldn't care much.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 08:42 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Like loves to watch child pornography and rape children bad? Seems there is an endless amount of hate against him when at worst he's guilty of having his friends make facebook posts against Hillary.
Well Obama, Bill and Hillary sure liked to collude with him for financial and political gain. Make of it what you will.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Well Obama, Bill and Hillary sure liked to collude with him for financial and political gain. Make of it what you will.
Got a link for that?
 
Old 01-27-2018, 08:49 PM
 
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Putin is Russian. He's gonna do what's best for Russia. Who would expect less? Did they meddle in our elections? Yes, that's what governments try to do. Every year the United States government via the CIA & State Department meddle in elections all over the globe! Where is the liberals moral outrage over that? Liberals and Democrats couldn't even win an election they tried to rig. Sorry azz losers.
Well Putin is doing what's best for his ruling class first of all, but you are correct about the rest - the US was directly involved in Russian elections of 1996.


"...Let us limit our discussion to one single case. Readers will recall that in the run-up to the 1996 presidential election in Russia, opinion polls put the pro-western incumbent, Boris Yeltsin, in fifth place among the presidential candidates, with only 8% support. The same polls showed that the most popular candidate in Russia by a wide margin was the Communist Party’s Gennady Zyuganov. Moved to desperation by the numbers, well-connected Russian oligarchs suggested just cancelling the election and supporting a military takeover, rather than facing a defeat at the polls. Neocons in the West embraced the idea–all in the name of Democracy, of course. In the end, though, Yeltsin and the oligarchs decided to retain power by staging the election.

In keeping with Russian laws at the time, Zyuganov spent less than three million dollars on his campaign. Estimates of Yeltsin’s spending, by contrast, range from $700 million to $2.5 billion. (David M. Kotz, Russia’s Path from Gorbachev to Putin, 2007) This was a clear violation of law, but it was just the tip of the iceberg.

In February 1996, at the urging of the United States, the International Monetary Fund (which describes itself as “an organization of 188 countries, working to foster global monetary cooperation”) supplied a $10.2 billion “emergency infusion” to Russia.The money disappeared as Yeltsin used it to shore up his reputation and to buy votes. He forced the Central Bank of Russia to provide an additional $1 billion for his campaign, too. Meanwhile, a handful of Russian oligarchs, notably several big contributors residing in Israel, provided more billions for the Yeltsin campaign.

In the spring of 1996, Yeltsin and his campaign manager, billionaire privatizer Anatoly Chubais, recruited a team of financial and media oligarchs to bankroll the Yeltsin campaign and guarantee favorable media coverage on national television and in leading newspapers. In return, Chubais allowed well-connected Russian business leaders to acquire majority stakes in some of Russia’s most valuable state-owned assets...."

( you can read the rest here)

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-med...eltsin/5568288

So yes, it was a case, you are correct.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 08:49 PM
 
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He kills reporters. He kills dissidents. He's all but ended fledgling democracy in Russia. He's destroyed the Russian economy by allowing all the wealth to be locked up into the bank accounts of his oligarchs. He hacked the State Department. He's hacking our power companies. He invades sovereign countries. He encouraged massive bombing in Syria to drive refugees into Europe and USA to try to destabilize the West.

Yeah, he's a bad guy. Try reading a little if you don't know about him.
Yeah he's just a regular politician like we have here. I've never seen so many Russian suckups before, who sound like they can't wait to sell out their country.

Either that or they're Russian nationalists...
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