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So none of you think that if there is criminal activity being identified in this memo the DOJ should not have been given it first to investigate. That this whole very dramatic -- release to the public wasn't necessary to move forward with a real investigation?
So none of you think that the Republicans dramatic showmanship with this whole memo could hurt any real investigation if there is wrong doing?
If there is wrong going - I suspect that this evidence being released so publicly -- if it is anything of importance -- could have a negative impact on any criminal proceedings.
And -- interesting because most of the politicians are lawyers and they know this kind of grandstanding doesn't help with the technical aspects of a criminal investigation and trial.
It's fascinating.
Releasing an overview of what happened doesn't change the facts.
The FBI director Wray, and another high ranking FBI official have reviewed the memo, and have not objected to it's release, or found any inaccuracies.
Releasing an overview of what happened doesn't change the facts.
The FBI director Wray, and another high ranking FBI official have reviewed the memo, and have not objected to it's release, or found any inaccuracies.
Wray did object to the memo's release.
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It also came after Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray warned White House chief of staff John Kelly that releasing the memo publicly could set a dangerous precedent, according to a person familiar with the conversation.
I am growing tired of all the partisan bologna coming from both sides.
President Trump has the authority to declassify all of it and immediately release it to the public. If both sides want full transparency, this is the only way. I want to see all of it, both memos and the FISA warrant application.
FISA court was created so that our counterintelligence agencies could surveil suspected terrorists, and other criminals meaning harm to the nation, and instances where time is of the essence, and to wait for a normal approval process from a federal judge might allow the criminals to get away.
In the case of Carter Page, where was the need for any of this. Following the normal procedure to get a federal court judge to authorize surveillance should have been fine.
If we find out the the 0bama DOJ knowingly used Hilary's bought and paid for, anti-Trump opposition research, performed by Steele, to spy on candidate & president-elect Trump.... then this is worse than Watergate, it's worse than any abuse of power any president's admin has ever committed.
The FISA Courts were created as an outside check on the warrant process, it has nothing to do with time critical in general. The selection of those judges is extensive because of their position, no judge is going sign off on surveillance without a proper demonstration of the need for the warrant.
Your last paragraph is BS unless you have a factual source, I don't expect you to provide one.
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What standard must be met to get a FISA wiretap?
To issue a FISA order authorizing investigators to eavesdrop on an American, a judge must agree that there is reason to believe the target was knowingly engaging in clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power that violate American criminal laws — or is knowingly aiding or conspiring with someone else who is doing that.
I am growing tired of all the partisan bologna coming from both sides.
President Trump has the authority to declassify all of it and immediately release it to the public. If both sides want full transparency, this is the only way. I want to see all of it, both memos and the FISA warrant.
Does anyone disagree with that?
This is not the normal process, even if both memos are released where does that leave us since you won't have the underlying information. It will just create even more division
This is not the normal process, even if both memos are released where does that leave us since you won't have the underlying information. It will just create even more division
How not?
Forgive my ignorance, but aren't both memos, both Nunes' majority memo and Schiff's minority memo, critiques of the FISA warrant application? I would like to see that FISA warrant application released, along with both memos.
Would that not give us all the underlying information we need to determine if the FISA warrant and/or the information to obtain the FISA warrant was indeed bogus?
I am growing tired of all the partisan bologna coming from both sides.
President Trump has the authority to declassify all of it and immediately release it to the public. If both sides want full transparency, this is the only way. I want to see all of it, both memos and the FISA warrant application.
Does anyone disagree with that? If so, why?
No. This is what I've been saying since the beginning. They should release any pertinent email and correspondence as well. No more of this half-assed, 'we've got you this time' nonsense with nothing other than personal notes to back it up. If anyone, I don't care who they are, has been abusing their power, I want to see them fry.
Wray has made no public objection to releasing the memo after reviewing it.
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Did he find any reason to open a criminal investigation?
The memo is only an overview of the FISA abuse, and is only one aspect of the corruption of the FBI. There is much more evidence, and it will be presented when the congressional committees, and the OIG finish their investigations.
The FBI/DOJ cannot investigate themselves, there will have to be a special counsel appointed.
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Originally Posted by NeutralParty
I am growing tired of all the partisan bologna coming from both sides.
President Trump has the authority to declassify all of it and immediately release it to the public. If both sides want full transparency, this is the only way. I want to see all of it, both memos and the FISA warrant application.
Does anyone disagree with that? If so, why?
That's not really true.
I do agree that we should see as much as the underlining evidence as we can.
Forgive my ignorance, but aren't both memos, both Nunes' majority memo and Schiff's minority memo, critiques of the FISA warrant application? I would like to see that FISA warrant application released, along with both memos.
Would that not give us all the underlying information we need to determine if the FISA warrant and/or the information to obtain the FISA warrant was indeed bogus?
Yes both memos will be different versions of the FBI information provided, you will not see the warrant application or any other classified information.
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