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Old 02-09-2018, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Which means ... AGAIN .. it is an AVERAGE year.

Look into Sharyl Atkinson. She blew the lid off the 2009 swine flu lies while she was a reporter at CBS. She was doing a story for 20/20 that was killed. Why? All she had were FACTS. She was a true reproter going after a story.

Look into it. Open your eyes. Why are people so afraid to learn FACTS? And why was the story killed?
Do you have figures for this week last year? Please post if you do. I'll take Fauci's word over Attkisson any day of the week. Attkisson has an entry into "The Encyclopedia of American Loons". Yes, I know that's someone's blog. But, see this as well: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sha...-spourdalakis/
Basically, Sharyl did a story excusing the murder of an autistic child by his mother.

 
Old 02-09-2018, 11:36 AM
 
Location: 57
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...But doesn't the pharmaceutical companies making these vaccines also make billions of dollars off a vaccine that may harm more than it helps, if it helps at all and aren't the news medias just using sensational reporting tactics to help them and to boost their own ratings?
Big Flu!
 
Old 02-09-2018, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Sharyl Attkison is an investigative reporter. Trying to discredit anyone who does not come to the same conclusions as the pharmaceutical companies by attacking their credentials and calling them names is not helpful.
She is an investigative reporter who is deeply in bed with the anti-vaccination community. Her "reporting" about vaccines is heavily biased. Her attempt to portray the 2009 influenza pandemic as less severe than it was flopped.

You see, it is not really about flu statistics. It's all about the vaccine. The anti-vaccinationists want to make flu vaccine seem unnecessary by downplaying the severity of flu.

It has nothing to do with pharmaceutical companies at all.
 
Old 02-09-2018, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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But doesn't the pharmaceutical companies making these vaccines also make billions of dollars off a vaccine that may harm more than it helps, if it helps at all and aren't the news medias just using sensational reporting tactics to help them and to boost their own ratings?
You don't need to be It is untrue that flu vaccine that may harm more than it helps. There is absolutely NO evidence for that at all. Yes, the news media likes to use sensational reporting to boost their own ratings. That is nothing new to this year.
 
Old 02-09-2018, 12:00 PM
 
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Do you have figures for this week last year? Please post if you do. I'll take Fauci's word over Attkisson any day of the week. Attkisson has an entry into "The Encyclopedia of American Loons". Yes, I know that's someone's blog. But, see this as well: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sha...-spourdalakis/
Basically, Sharyl did a story excusing the murder of an autistic child by his mother.

Just wanted to add: last year's flu started quite a bit later than this year's flu so it's not really appropriate to compare week to week.

What is interesting was the 2009 H1NI flu started VERY early in the season and by this time that year, it had dramatically dropped off with the 200+ pediatric deaths already having occurred. It's interesting looking at the timelines for each year's strain. This year's flu started much earlier than most.
 
Old 02-09-2018, 01:28 PM
 
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Death toll in my county is now 60, last year it was 17. This is not an average year.
 
Old 02-09-2018, 01:56 PM
 
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Saw this today...the CDC nurse is basically admitted that the vaccine this year in part helped cause the larger epidemic (but still recommends everyone get it - you do the math).

Influenza potentially made stronger by vaccines | News | burnettcountysentinel.com
 
Old 02-09-2018, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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In this flu season, it seems that a lot of the deaths in people with flu have been due to sepsis.
Sepsis whether by bacteria, virus or trauma is the end point in a cascade of insults to the body. It occurs when the body can no longer mount a defense to the illness or trauma. There are many types of sepsis and many forms of shock. In both cases the blood is struggling to overcome the invaders and cannot do so.

Most cases of flu death occur due to ARDS or Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome. When humans bruise, our skin forms defenses, and due to tissue destruction it cannot exchange oxygen at the same rate as undamaged tissue and it changes color.

Lungs however do not bruise...they scar. And as this scarring increases the body is not able to send oxygen to the tissues and organs with much needed oxygen and the patient eventually can die. We have hundreds of strategies to prevent this, however, once the lungs become so damaged that they cannot properly function, even though we are breathing for people with machines, they expire.

The flu is a dangerous illness and becoming familiar with it is important. Here is the CDC website on flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/index.htm
 
Old 02-09-2018, 02:06 PM
 
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Saw this today...the CDC nurse is basically admitted that the vaccine this year in part helped cause the larger epidemic (but still recommends everyone get it - you do the math).

Influenza potentially made stronger by vaccines | News | burnettcountysentinel.com
Are you talking about this sentence:

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“I believe that the low effective rate of the vaccine this year is due to the mutations that the virus made in the processing of the vaccine itself,” said Anna Treague, nurse for Public Health. “That is at least part of the reason that influenza cases are so widespread this year.”
Because if you are, I think you misstated what she said.

She's discussing that during the development of the vaccine itself, the virus they were working with mutated enough that they couldn't get a good vaccine. Not that people getting the vaccine effected the virus that is circulating in the air and person to person.
 
Old 02-09-2018, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Saw this today...the CDC nurse is basically admitted that the vaccine this year in part helped cause the larger epidemic (but still recommends everyone get it - you do the math).

Influenza potentially made stronger by vaccines | News | burnettcountysentinel.com
This again is not accurate and it is not established fact.

Last year the numbers for flu were much less and the vaccine successful targeted the mutations. This year, they "missed" the zone of effectiveness. It is really very important to understand the vaccine itself does not create a "super flu", it simply misses the strain which is affecting people. Some years we hit the mark, others we don't.

If anyone likes this subject there is a great book; Spillover . This is authors home page.

Spillover: Animal Infections and the Next Human Pandemic by David Quammen.
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