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"We are going to be the last class shooting" and they clapped? They clapped over something an emotional kid said that is nothing more than writing checks with her mouth? She says all these people are going to change the law. They couldn't protect them in the first place why in the world would she think they can protect them now. The same people that ignored the warnings are the ones to help? Boobus doesn't learn.
Then to say it's not just a mental helath issue? She's nuts. Who is blaming the victims? I listened to the first 2 minutes of it. That's all I need to know she's an uninformed, emotional, irrational little kid.
Irrational is doing nothing and hoping things will change, which is what the grownups have been doing for decades now.
Irrational is doing nothing and hoping things will change, which is what the grownups have been doing for decades now.
How is that working out for us?
Irrational is doing the same thing repeatedly (increasing gun control laws) and expecting a different outcome. And - it bears worth repeating - someone who is willing to disobey current laws (murder for example) isn't magically going to start obeying new ones. Extremely simple concept. Not sure why gun control advocates don't get it.
We have a violence problem in the US, not a gun problem. Figure out our obsession with violence, and the gun "problem" become irrelevant.
Bull**** arguments conservatives make every time after the carnage
1. Let's not politicize these deaths - that would be so callous. Translation: let's never talk about this, because we don't want to do anything about it. Know what is really callous? Using this argument to support more kids ending up in caskets. If you call talking about action "politicizing" it, then YES - let's "politicize" it.
2. We can't pass laws because no law would prevent every gun death.
Conservatives employ an unrealistic bar of 100% effectiveness in order to defer any change to the status quo. Since we can't prevent every vehicular death, should we eliminate all traffic laws?
3. The laws will only stop law-abiding citizens and not criminals.
Another variation of #2. Since not every burglar can be stopped by theft laws, should we strike those out as well?
4. If only everyone had a gun, then these attacks would have been stopped.
We already live in the most gun-saturated nation on planet Earth, and how safe are we? If more guns correlates to more safety, we should have the lowest incidents of mass attacks anywhere; we don't. This argument also ignores the reality that if every kid, cashier, bus driver, grocery shopper, etc. needs to go through the day ready to quick-draw like it's high noon, then we as a society have long lost our way in terms of being a safe, civilized culture.
5. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun...
Yes, don't deny that. We should have police, guards, etc. But we should also reduce the volume of bad guys with guns instead of taking it as a given. Other nations don't accept this as a given, and it shows in their statistics.
6. It's a mental health problem. Sure, that's part of it. So if you feel that way, why is Trump's budget cutting mental healthcare funding, and why do conservatives in general endeavor to reduce citizens' access to healthcare? And why do you strike down gun screening laws that endeavor to look at mental health of gun purchasers? You're making it HARDER for us to keep guns away from people with mental problems, not easier.
7. We feel so bad about what happened. Our thoughts and prayers...
No, you don't. **** your prayers. We don't need your prayers; we need action. You defend a status quo of unparalleled carnage in the modern world. You are complicit, you ****-eating liars.
Irrational is doing nothing and hoping things will change, which is what the grownups have been doing for decades now.
How is that working out for us?
Treat mental illness and fix the cause. Getting continually crapped on by others violating or rights whereby we cannot live our lives unencumbered causes a lot of mental illness. Overloading we the people with complexities in life. Not many people are born with mental illness.
Because the vocal minority spoke doesn't mean the silent majority has changed there minds. This liberal buzz phrase "gun violence" has already used up its 15 minutes of fame. This is a human violence problem. This violence is caused by a breakdown in the human spirit. Broken hearts, broken minds. When will you folks wake up and address the root causes of the problems?
So why is this so common place in just the US, what do you suppose the root causes are for all these mass shootings. All this gun violence is due to easy access to guns by mentally ill people, you are just being emotional yourself when you cant admit that guns are not a large part of the problem.
It just came to me. The term for what you are doing here is Conflating.
"Definition of conflate
conflated; conflating
transitive verb
1 a : to bring together : fuse
b : confuse
2 : to combine (things, such as two readings of a text) into a composite whole The poster conflated the two ideas."
Actually, in this case, three ideas, each of which is incorrect:
1. The NRA is evil and has collected a lot of money from their evil by selling firearms and stuff.
2. Organizations with ill gotten gains must hide their money overseas, presumably to avoid taxes.
3. Evil people have huge stocks of guns and ammunition and it should be taken away from them, by force, if necessary.
"If your understanding of anything we are discussing here was magnified . . . "
Nevermind.
If you don't realize it by now, by blaming the NRA for being your imaginary enemy, you are alienating many people who support the reasonable discussion of how to end school shootings. As far as can be determined, NO NRA member ever shot up a school. You sound like a parrot, not someone with something contribute to the discussion.
Back in 1934 when Karl Federick was president of the NRA, it was then quite an honorable organization that highly promoted hunting, marksmanship, proper firearm handling and care.
Mr. Karl Federick believed that gun ownership should be highly restricted and he most definitely did not believe in concealed carry or gun owners "promiscuously toting firearms" in public.
This stance was coming from a noted firearms expert and leader of his community.
Then in 1977 we have a well-known crackpot of a gun nut named Branson Carter, who somehow became executive vice president of the NRA. He manages to divert the NRA's original wholesome and purposeful goals to the more aberrant obsessive goal of establishing gun owner's rights, even at the expense of public safety. He is quoted as stating, that the right to bear arms in a truly free society is more important than the loss of children's lives by the hands of criminals and the mentally insane's misuse of firearms.
This is the type of thinking that got us to this most untenable point in our country today. Both the NRA and Congress are 100% responsible for this quagmire of a predicament.
Branson Carter was known to most close to him as being highly mentally unstable and a once convicted murderer...
Treat mental illness and fix the cause. Getting continually crapped on by others violating or rights whereby we cannot live our lives unencumbered causes a lot of mental illness. Overloading we the people with complexities in life. Not many people are born with mental illness.
Who is going to pay for treating mental illness? Think the Republicans in charge right now will put out any money for that? They don't even care if Americans don't have regular healthcare.
Treat mental illness and fix the cause. Getting continually crapped on by others violating or rights whereby we cannot live our lives unencumbered causes a lot of mental illness. Overloading we the people with complexities in life. Not many people are born with mental illness.
That's the solution prevent mental illness, France, Great Britain, Germany don't have mental illness.
Sure sounds like a slam dunk to me, just fix mental illness and leave the gun industry alone.
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Bull**** arguments conservatives make every time after the carnage
