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You all do realize the map is still roughly 10-8 GOP right?
OH and MI are worse but I will happily add IL and MD as needing revision.
and NC, and TX
FL
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Maryland is likely the most egregious seeing that in both 2001 and 2011 when the districts were drawn the stated aim by those developing the maps flat out stated the aim was to get rid of any Republican Congressmen.
The one in 2001 went to the Maryland Court of Appeals which tweaked it a bit and declared it Constitutional.
Net result:
2000 4 Republican 4 Democrat members of Congress
2002 2 Republican 6 Democrat members of Congress
2010 2 Republican 6 Democrat members of Congress
2012 1 Republican 7 Democrat members of Congress
a 3/5 split would more accurately represent the State
The 2011 drawing was intended to get rid of the lone Republican as well as create another majority/minority District but they just couldn't quite do it without exposing Steny Hoyer to a likely loss.
Without gerrymandering, blacks would never hold elected office above city council or mayor.
Black candidates don't necessarily need majority black constituencies in order to win elections. Note one of the current senators from South Carolina and New Jersey ... or previously one from Illinois who went on to a hold a rather important position for 8 years. They are just as capable of holding elected office as any other group of Americans.
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You all do realize the map is still roughly 10-8 GOP right?
OH and MI are worse but I will happily add IL and MD as needing revision.
and NC, and TX
FL
sigh
LA
NC was probably the worst. It's already been redrawn once because of racial packing. The federal district court ordered a 2nd redrawing of districts, but the Supreme Court put it on hold until they decide on Wisconsin. 2 cities were added to federal district 10 specifically to cancel each other out.
Boy, what is this country coming to when a political party cannot violates the Constitution and ensure their candidates always win???? That can't be what democracy is about!!!
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Salon did a great job of offering you up the version you wanted to hear. The other guys cheat, your side is the good guys that do no wrong lmao....even star wars has a deeper plot than that tripe.
They are following their constitutional process which includes the right of either side to contest the decision.
I personally wish that every state had some sort of independent non-arbitrary process to decide districts.
Maryland is likely the most egregious seeing that in both 2001 and 2011 when the districts were drawn the stated aim by those developing the maps flat out stated the aim was to get rid of any Republican Congressmen.
The one in 2001 went to the Maryland Court of Appeals which tweaked it a bit and declared it Constitutional.
Net result:
2000 4 Republican 4 Democrat members of Congress
2002 2 Republican 6 Democrat members of Congress
2010 2 Republican 6 Democrat members of Congress
2012 1 Republican 7 Democrat members of Congress
a 3/5 split would more accurately represent the State
The 2011 drawing was intended to get rid of the lone Republican as well as create another majority/minority District but they just couldn't quite do it without exposing Steny Hoyer to a likely loss.
Maryland voted almost 2-1 democratic in the last two elections so I'm not sure that is so slanted. I know the case in Maryland was brought mainly because of the 6th district which is quite egregious and needs to be redistricted. I don't know if there are other districts but I'm glad its in the courts, unfairness is prevalent in both parties and they need to take politics out of the drawing of these districts.
Does it really make that much of a difference? Dems have been elected to Congress, state offices and the WH with the previous map.
Yes, it makes a difference.
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Nobody violated the Constitution. Can you tell me what article/section they have violated?
Both Parties have used "gerrymandering" (as it is called) for many decades. As the court has now drawn the lines, they now heavily favor Democrats, even in districts that are predominantly Republican, and Republicans they are now drawn so that Republicans are now not living within districts that they represent!
This has been done by design, so that the Democrats can win Pennsylvania. More corruption on the part of Democrats. It's the only way they are able to win.
The Court found that the districts violated the State Constitution's guarantee of free & equal elections.
The federal courts should exercise control over gerrymandering. At some point, gerrymandering must offend the Republican Form of Government and the Right to Vote.
NC was probably the worst. It's already been redrawn once because of racial packing. The federal district court ordered a 2nd redrawing of districts, but the Supreme Court put it on hold until they decide on Wisconsin. 2 cities were added to federal district 10 specifically to cancel each other out.
NC's is a mess because the Court ordered the state to create 2 districts that only a Black person could win.
NC's is a mess because the Court ordered the state to create 2 districts that only a Black person could win.
Waldo, that has nothing to do with how bad the NC districts are, and it sure as hell has nothing to do with splitting Asheville....
The old maps had Obama winning 7 of the 13 districts in 2008, when he won the state narrowly. The new maps had McCain winning 10 of the 13 districts in 08 despite Obama winning ot.
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NC's is a mess because the Court ordered the state to create 2 districts that only a Black person could win.
Yes & you know perfectly well what the Republicans did with the snake. It was appalling. Plus they added Asheville & Gastonia to district 10, to cancel each other out.
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Waldo, that has nothing to do with how bad the NC districts are, and it sure as hell has nothing to do with splitting Asheville....
The old maps had Obama winning 7 of the 13 districts in 2008, when he won the state narrowly. The new maps had McCain winning 10 of the 13 districts in 08 despite Obama winning ot.
They moved Asheville to district 10 to be cancelled by Gastonia, thereby guaranteeing a win for Meadows.
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They are just as capable of holding elected office as any other group of Americans.
The other guys cheat, your side is the good guys that do no wrong lmao....even star wars has a deeper plot than that tripe.
