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Old 03-13-2018, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981 View Post
cheap shot.

I don't think it is necessary to respond to cheap shot.
Or you have no justification for your point, because you support torture BY Americans while condemning it and being ok with execution when done AGAINST Americans.

That's not a cheap shot just because you have zero moral consistency in your positions.
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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Only if you get caught. The CIA has probably tortured people in the past and none of the operatives or people who ordered such actions have ever been charged.
Illegal is illegal
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:37 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Has anyone who makes the claim that water boarding is not torture actually undergone water boarding themselves?
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Has anyone who makes the claim that water boarding is not torture actually undergone water boarding themselves?
Well, I don't have to.

I am not a terrorist. Don't be a terrorist, problem solved.
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:39 AM
 
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nah,

Waterboarding actually refers to two different interrogation techniques. One involves pumping water directly into the stomach. This would be torture

The other technique — the one more widely used today — involves choking the victim by filling their throat with a steady stream of water — a sort of "slow-motion drowning" that was perfected by Dutch traders in the 17th century. They used it against their British rivals in the East Indies. It is hardly torture.

So depends on how they do it, one would be torture, the other one is not.
Former Navy Seal and Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura has been subjected to the less invasive form of waterboarding and he calls it torture. Are you calling him a liar?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoqmH49VBC0
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Former Navy Seal and Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura has been subjected to the less invasive form of waterboarding and he calls it torture. Are you calling him a liar?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoqmH49VBC0
A lot of former Navy Seals say otherwise, google is your friend
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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I don't care for war criminals regardless of gender.
So Hillary should be prosecuted for Benghazi, right? Even if she is a "woman"?
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Water-boarding, like many other interrogation techniques, could be torture in the hands of a sadist. But — as the following article demonstrates — it can be an effective interrogation technique and an essential tool of training, as it has been for US Navy and Air Force pilots.

Waterboarding: A SERE-ing Experience for Tens of Thousands of US Military Personnel | Human Events
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:43 AM
 
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Illegal is illegal
Sure, like many CIA operations. Prove it. What you can't prove doesn't exist.
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Plus, The concept of a 'black site', a secret prison outside of regular law enforcement operated by intelligence or state/internal security agencies has been around since the early Roman Empire.

why is it all of sudden such a big deal? Do you really think government agencies would simply give up on a system that has worked so well for over 2,000 years? Get real!
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