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Supporting the torture of people, and supporting it with no due process is sickening, and against the values of the US (which is why it is a right against cruel and unusual punishment) and any civilized person, (which is why it was not done on US soil).
When only one party needs to obey the rules, that is unfairness.
My brother served in the Marine Corps and has done ops overseas. If he was captured, I would think it was his lucky day if they only chose to waterboard him. Fact.
However you want to think of me is your choice.
So because your brother could have been tortured, but wasn't, therefore torture is ok?
So because your brother could have been tortured, but wasn't, therefore torture is ok?
I didn't say that first of all
Secondly, my brother has been out of the Marine Corps for 10+ years. So you don't need to make it all about me.
Last but not least,
The U.S. Supreme Court was (and is) right on telling the difference between lawful and unlawful combatants. In every military conflicts, combatants must follow the rules of war by wearing proper uniforms of their respective nations and not committing atrocities against civilians and enemy prisoners of war. Without the rules of war, there will be more bloodshed. The rules of war are created so belligerents can follow what to do and what not to do.
No terrorist group is a party to the Geneva Conventions. They have not signed, much less ratified, those treaties.
p.s. For your reading pleasure, this is something my good friend David posted a while ago. He served 3 tours overseas.
"When you look at the media, you have to look at the psychology behind the average American viewer, we have a well known affinity for violence, as a matter of fact, I believe (looking back in history) most human beings do in general. In the competitive world of national and international media one can not berate the media for giving the public exactly what they want. I mean who wouldn't want their media enterprise to become successful? This has definitely put an undue stigma behind water boarding .
When media portrays only the violence, no one sees the good people have done. There where a lot of amazing acts of courage to protect the people of Afghanistan by our armed services that were never portrayed in media, because it simply would spike ratings the same way water boarding would."
Supporting the torture of people, and supporting it with no due process is sickening, and against the values of the US (which is why it is a right against cruel and unusual punishment) and any civilized person, (which is why it was not done on US soil).
I fail to see a problem. Do you believe our enemies, in their own countries, are entitled to the protections granted by our Constitution to US citizens? And is spritzing a bit of Perrier in the nose torture?
“The torture of detainees in U.S. custody during the last decade was one of the darkest chapters in American history,” McCain said. “Ms. Haspel needs to explain the nature and extent of her involvement in the CIA’s interrogation program during the confirmation process.”
Seems like Trump wants a modern-day version of the Beast of Belsen, Irma Grese, to run the CIA. Gives you an idea of what he has in mind for for us, who are opposed to his attempts to run our country by autocratic fiat, rather than representation. The big question is why did Obama let this architect of our system of torture and abuse, skate right on past the criminal charges she could have faced for her black ops? If the Senate confirms her, we will know without a doubt, how badly Trump has corrupted this nation's government and society.
Note: Although the Kommandant of Bergen-Belsen, Joseph Kramer, was given the name, "Beast of Belsen", the media at the time, commonly used it also for Irma Grese.
Last edited by Steve McDonald; 03-13-2018 at 03:40 PM..
I fail to see a problem. Do you believe our enemies, in their own countries, are entitled to the protections granted by our Constitution to US citizens? And is spritzing a bit of Perrier in the nose torture?
I believe in the decent treatment of humans, which is the founding basis of our rights here in the USA, in case you did not realize that the rights that we have in the USA originated long before the USA was even a thought, because they are the basis of how people should treat each other, and the role the government plays in it (thus protecting those rights, not "giving").
Just because a person is outside of the USA does not mean I think they do not deserve to have basic rights.
The CIA has never tortured anyone neither here nor abroad.
(Only because April 15 is right around the corner)
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