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It also wasn't torture. Liberals (in both parties) made that fallacy up out of thin air.
OMG! She got their nasal passages wet, and made them uncomfortable with no damage?
And she destroyed tapes and other records??? Who does she think she is? Hillary Clinton?
Sounds to me like she's the right person in the right job at the right time. Someone the terrorists might actually be afraid of, for a change.
You do remember the terrorists, don't you, libbies? The people who have killed thousands of innocent Americans, here and abroad? The people the CIA are supposed to find and get information from, to prevent them from killing countless more? Or are you so obsessed with bashing Trump that you forgot about such unimportant things?
Since when isn't water boarding torture, I have to laugh at the new definition of "enhanced interrogation techniques" under Bush/Cheney.
Almost none of the GITMO detainees have been convicted of anything, out of over 500 there are less than 100 remaining. GITMO and the program were a complete failure.
Since when isn't water boarding torture, I have to laugh at the new definition of "enhanced interrogation techniques" under Bush/Cheney.
Almost none of the GITMO detainees have been convicted of anything, out of over 500 there are less than 100 remaining. GITMO and the program were a complete failure.
There's a difference between dirt under one's fingernails, and torturing human beings.
I understand that we are at war in several locations around the world, I understand that terrorists are our enemies. I don't believe the black sites were battlefields. I see no evidence that torture was productive. I do believe, deeply and emphatically, that torture damages the people who are tortured, AND the people who do the torturing. A person who tortures another human being has to be able to look at that other being and not see the human, to be able to turn off empathy, to become dead in a way. If the torture is an isolated event, the torturer may be able to recover their sense of humanity, their ability to empathize. But if the torture is systematic and repetitious, like the torture done at black ops sites, then the torturer is less likely to be able to recover. To ask our fellow Americans do this is an abomination. That Ms Haspel did this systematically and repeatedly is not in question. I don't doubt that she in intelligent and competent in every way. But I think that someone who has done the things she has done has been damaged, and I think that the Senate confirmation hearings should to some degree address that damage. Do I think she'll probably be confirmed? Yes. I think most Republicans would prefer not to consider her black ops history, and will sweep it aside, and I think Democrats will try to use it as a political weapon. I'm not comfortable with either approach, but I am not comfortable either with someone who is the head of our CIA who can justify the things she's done.
OUr current head of the CIA knew this stuff was going on. So did the one before that...the one before that and so on and so forth.
I hear your point, I don't disagree.
I'm pointing out the cold hard truth that the only difference between this gal and the other CIA top brass is that we more specifically know what she did.
However, just in general terms we know the others are up to the ears in it just the same.
OUr current head of the CIA knew this stuff was going on. So did the one before that...the one before that and so on and so forth.
I hear your point, I don't disagree.
I'm pointing out the cold hard truth that the only difference between this gal and the other CIA top brass is that we more specifically know what she did.
However, just in general terms we know the others are up to the ears in it just the same.
I appreciate what you're saying as well.
As I stated earlier, I fully expect Haspel to be confirmed by the Republican Senate. I also expect that her history with black ops site and torture will be raised during the confirmation process. As it should be. Ms Haspel has received many accolades during her service to the CIA, and those accolades are a testament to how well she performs the tasks she's asked to perform. If she becomes the Director of the CIA, I'm sure she will do her best to perform the duties she's assigned efficiently and competently. But I will still wonder about the damage she's suffered in the past.
Gina Haspel, President Trump’s choice for the CIA’s number two position, was more deeply involved in the torture of Abu Zubaydah than has been publicly understood, according to newly available records and accounts by participants.
You'd care if you were at risk of being subjected to it.
First, the use of it is condoned on foreign criminals.
Then on foreign criminal suspects.
Then on American criminals.
And then on American suspects.
After that, it just ends up being a handy way to keep people in line.
Do you really want to start going down that road?
Ohh, ohhh, (has case of vapors) it's the "slippery slope" argument that the Progressive left denies even exists when it comes to other things like <gasp> gun control,gay marriage etc but it now exists when it comes to "supposed" torture.
Please re-read what you wrote and if you don't see how illogical and yes, even hysterical it sounds then please read it again...
Ohh, ohhh, (has case of vapors) it's the "slippery slope" argument that the Progressive left denies even exists when it comes to other things like <gasp> gun control,gay marriage etc but it now exists when it comes to "supposed" torture.
Please re-read what you wrote and if you don't see how illogical and yes, even hysterical it sounds then please read it again...
Name one country that openly tortures foreign captives that treats their own citizens humanely.
Name one country that openly tortures foreign captives that treats their own citizens humanely.
Well to be fair it isn't like anyone willingly admits to torturing (foreign captives) terrorists other than the terrorists. They actually take pleasure in the world knowing what kind of real scum they are.
So to answer your question. No one admits it until they are caught so how do you know who does and doesn't use torture? Some most likely ship their prisoners to countries willing to use torture. LOL Then say we don't use torture.
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