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When Trump was running around talking about "illegals" and saying how he was "not racist against Latinos...just against illegals," progressives by and large did not believe him and thought he was just against all brown people.
Well, now those same progressives expect me and everyone else when they say "we don't want to ban all guns...just the cool ones" (I'm paraphrasing obviously)
As it turns out, about half of all Democrats want ALL guns banned
Yes, a six shooter revolver...THIS IS WHAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE AT THOSE RALLIES WANT BANNED AND CONFISCATED! This is what we are dealing with here, people. Never forget that!
Your post is a lie.
Either your reading comprehension is so poor that you can't understand the link you yourself provide or you are intentionally lying to those who would read your screed.
The YouGov poll of February 25-27 had 495 people identify themselves as Democrats, whether this is a large enough cohort to produce viable results is a question for the statisticians but the results are far different from what you represent. The question to which 44% (not half, not "MOST OF THE PEOPLE") of Democrats responded favorably was saying they favored banning the sale of handguns to anyone other than law enforcement officers. Repeat - banning the sale of handguns.
Nothing in the poll regarded the sale of all guns; nothing in the question referenced rifles, shotguns or already existing firearms of any type. Nothing in the poll suggested the confiscation of anything at all.
A fine example of "Fake, phony news" that negates any reasonable message you may have had.
"Charges for crimes involving firearms have increased dramatically across the island nation’s localities in the past decade according to an analysis of government statistics conducted by The New Daily. It found that gun crimes have spiked dramatically in the Australian states of Victoria, New South Wales, South Australia, and Tasmania. In Victoria, pistol-related offenses doubled over the last decade. In New South Wales, they tripled. The other states saw smaller but still significant increases. Experts said that the country’s 1996 ban on most semi-automatic firearms has actually driven criminals to those guns. “The ban on semi-automatics created demand by criminals for other types of guns,” professor Philip Alpers of the University of Sydney told The New Daily. “The criminal’s gun of choice today is the semi-automatic pistol.”
[…]Regardless of the reasons for the jump in gun crime, the numbers reveal the true size of Australia’s illegal gun market. “Taken together, the data suggests that despite our tough anti-gun laws, thousands of weapons are either being stolen or entering the country illegally,” The New Daily said. “The fourfold rise in handgun-related charges in NSW in the past decade points to the existence of a big illegal market for concealable firearms that seems to have been underestimated in the past.” If you take guns away from law-abiding people (which is what Australia did), then only criminals will have guns. And that means that the criminals will become bolder in the face of their disarmed victims.
You are right about that, but how did it get to this point? Do you actually think they would be passing tyrannical laws if the general public was as equally armed as the US military?!!
Govt gained the upper hand in terms of firepower and weapons,ONLY because the public was brainwashed into believing that was for the best, it was for the general health and safety of the public that SOME weapons only be available to Govt/ Law enforcement...and GEE what happened after that, Govt becomes tyrannical!
A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them. Which would include their own government.” – George Washington
"Govt becomes tyrannical!"
I DON'T believe our government is tyrannical or ever will be.
The AK47 is the most mass produced and widely used assault weapon ON THE PLANET, PLENTY have been made since 1986 and Im sure PLENTY are coming into the US.
Its nonsense to think otherwise actually! Heroin is a great example, there are very tough laws on its sale and possession, but at the same time, numerous cities and states have heroin epidemics going on, so even though its extremely illegal, ENOUGH is coming in CONSISTENTLY, to lead to epidemics.
"PLENTY have been made since 1986 and Im sure PLENTY are coming into the US."
So they have been made since 1986 and we have NOT seen many, if any at all up until now being used in a mass scale but, you think all of a sudden they WILL be used.
IF they have been around for so long, why HAVEN'T they been used until now?
"Im sure PLENTY are coming into the US." You are SURE based on WHAT?
How many have YOU seen used in committing crimes?
How manyh ave YOU seen used to commit murders?
"Its nonsense to think otherwise"
I see you are one of those that thinks anyone who disagrees with spews "nonsense" and ONLY you are the one with any sense.
Have you not watched the news as of late? The protesting? The message I got was clear, and that was to ban all guns.
Your party is doing an awesome job in conveying that message. What are Americans suppose to think when you see 1000's of these signs to ban guns? They sure aren't out there to ban bullets or bump stocks or to get exercise, LOl
Not true? if so, they're absolutely clueless in their protesting.
Just remember, progressive Liberals ALWAYS want to ban something gun related. Always!
"The protesting?"
And look at who is doing it. High school kids.
Where do they get their inf other then from the teachers and the anti gun media who for the most part are anti-gun.
The REASON we do NOT let high school kids vote, drink, etc., is BECAUSE they are NOT old enough an MATURE enough to do so.
As with most things the left uses, it is ALL EMOTION and very few FACTS.
What facts they do use are twisted to suit their agendas.
Okay: you love your "baby." How very troglodyte of you. Aside from that, this is what is quoted in the dubious article you link to:
"Of that number, YouGov found that 73 percent of self-identified Democrats “strongly” favor banning semi-automatic firearms. The survey found that an additional nine percent “somewhat” favor a ban of that sort.
Translation: 82 percent of surveyed Democrats say they favor a ban on semi-automatics, which would include not just rifles like the one used in the Feb. 14 Parkland massacre, which claimed the lives of 17 people, but also most handguns."
Explain this to me: Are most handguns also semi-automatic firearms? Because that's what this says.
And, sorry, no, Democrats do not want to take your little toys away from you. We fully support the Second Amendment, but nobody who isn't a soldier fighting a war needs a semi-automatic weapon.
What is wrong with you gun nuts? When I was growing up in Texas, practically everybody had guns, but they didn't call them their "babies" or fetishize them in the bizarre way that you people do. It was a gun, it had a purpose, period. And no self-respecting, fully sane gun owner thinks that banning semi-automatics is the same thing as banning all guns.
"We fully support the Second Amendment, but nobody who isn't a soldier fighting a war needs a semi-automatic weapon."
A TOTAL CONTRADICTION.
"needs a semi-automatic weapon."" Says YOU.
If you don't want one, don't get one.
Do you even KNOW waht one is?
"The RIGHT of the PEOPLE to KEEP and Bear arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED"
Just for grins, what do you think "infringed" means?
And did you KNOW that Thomas Jefferson GAVE SEMI-AUTOMATICS to Lewis & Clark for the expedition?
So, don't come back with "they were not around at the time"
When Trump was running around talking about "illegals" and saying how he was "not racist against Latinos...just against illegals," progressives by and large did not believe him and thought he was just against all brown people.
Well, now those same progressives expect me and everyone else when they say "we don't want to ban all guns...just the cool ones" (I'm paraphrasing obviously)
As it turns out, about half of all Democrats want ALL guns banned
So next time some Marxist buffoon tells you they don't want "all guns banned," remember this.
And for the record, I do not own a semi-automatic long rifle (yet) but I do own one of these...and no way in hell am I saying goodbye to my baby.
Yes, a six shooter revolver...THIS IS WHAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE AT THOSE RALLIES WANT BANNED AND CONFISCATED! This is what we are dealing with here, people. Never forget that!
yep that is what the fascist liberals are waiting for
the fascist liberals never let a crisis go to waste
they will do anything they possibly can to bring their brand of communism/socialism/fascism.... and they know they need to take away the guns..all legal guns...that is the way to control the people
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When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. – Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President of the United States
the 2nd amendment is very specific...the RIGHT of the PEOPLE shall not be INFRINGED
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""""That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals ..."""-- James Madison
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This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future! – Adolph Hitler, 1935, on The Weapons Act of Nazi Germany
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"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subordinate people to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subordinate people to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations
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"Waiting periods are only a step.
Registration is only a step.
The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." Janet Reno
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"Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed
when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sarah Brady
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"We're bending the law as far as we can
to ban... guns." Rahm Emmanuel
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"There is no reason for anyone in this country -- anyone except a police officer or military person -- to buy, to own, to have, to use a handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit all guns." Bill Clinton
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"A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device
to deny gun ownership to the people." Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
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"If the opposition (citizen) disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves." Josef Stalin
interesting how the liberals, fascists, nazi's, communists are the ones who want gun control....hmm
Thats basically almost ALL guns. Who carries revolvers other than Barney Fife? Lol
@anyrate, joking aside, banning semi automatics is unconstitutional and would need a radical amendment change (just not going to happen) furthermore...unenforceable even if the 2A was to be amended. Like I said before, its equivalent to a bunch of white supremacist protesting to bring back slavery. Just not going to happen here in America.
For starters, I like Hilo, though prefer the other side of Hawaii because you get too much rain.
I'd also note that your gun laws are pretty restrictive compared with the mainland.
Now as to revolvers, while I agree not too many people want wheel guns anymore, they are more dependable compared with semi-autos. Still liberals would eventually even want those as once they get an inch, they go for unlimited miles. Remember many live with the fantasy of standing hand in hand around the world singing Kumbya and drinking Coke. The evil that exists within the world does not fit into their Utopian fantasies.
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Originally Posted by TreeBeard
There is no rational reason why anyone should have a small armory.
The SA article is also right that most of these weapons will never be used in some mythical Red Dawn scenario or in a heroic self defense situation but at home with tragic consequences.
The irony of the article being in SA is that it is more full of opinion than science.
One could argue there is no rational reason to have stores of food and water, and alternate power sources. In reality you do not need to be a "prepper" (which I am not) to be prepared for any type of natural or man made disaster.
So though I am not a prepper as I understand it, I have been taught from childhood to have at least a week supply of the aforementioned, because I was raised in an area of common cyclical bad weather. You can lose power for weeks, and the ensuing chaos and lack of the aforementioned is actually common.
So for SA to have an article to dismiss such things is absurd, and the likely reason it was written has an anti-gun agenda.
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Originally Posted by Icy Tea
And why are women and minorities buying guns? Why does anyone have a problem with that?
Because it does not fit the liberal/leftist agenda of trying to demonize white men as the only NRA members and gun fanatics. Needless to say many a woman and minority have firearms.
I'd also point out that many people who do not shoot or have firearms hear terms like having hundreds of rounds of ammo as some huge gun nut type of scenario. They do not realize you can go through hundreds of rounds of ammo in a single day at the range. I guess they think people who go to the range take 6 bullets and one target and are done, or at least that is the way it should be in their minds.
In reality those who shoot buy in bulk for the same reason people shop at Costco,,,,,price!
That combined with shortages a couple of years ago made people realize they needed more ammo than they typically would keep.
Needless to say the NRA has been right all these years when some were accusing them of stoking fear of gun grabbing liberals. They thought that when Trump was elected the threat of gun grabbers would go away. However the liberals who have been pushing for gun control/confiscation never go away, they just fall silent until they can exploit a rare tragedy. Their tune is always the same, and in most cases wouldn't have prevented the tragedy to begin with.
The sad thing about the Parkland shooting is that many of the things people depend on government for fell through the cracks from the FBI, mental health centers and the local police.
Yet the useful idiot kids are not marching/protesting about those lack of failures, instead want to demonize law abiding gun owners and the civil rights organization that protects their rights from being infringed.
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Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust
I'm a liberal and I don't think the US should ban guns. That would go against the 2A.
If the US disregards the 2A, why not another? And then another?
The Constitution was put in place for a reason, and it contains things that are necessary to prevent the US from ending up a dictatorship.
Let's not compromise that in any way.
It's a lot easier to prevent a dictatorship than to stop one that takes root.
I am glad to read that you as a liberal feel this way. There are plenty of (D) gun owners, but most are not liberal, and are instead the last of the conservative/moderates in the party. Still for you to rationally articulate the reasons for your thoughts are refreshing.
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