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Old 04-18-2018, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Originally Posted by loves2read View Post
I know many people consider that Trump is in control of the relationship with Cohen--
Cohen was "fixer" for Trump and Trump organizations
Cohen was subservient to Trump and did Trump's bidding

But what if we don't see the relationship in the correct perspective

Cohen's family has ties to Russian organized crime
Even though he grew up in pretty upscale area--he had relatives living across Jamaca Bay in area that was full of expat Russians and run by the Russian mob---
just like some areas of NYC and Jersey were run by the Mafia ( a la "Supranos" and "A Bronx Tale")
Cohen's uncle ran a bar/club that was a hangout for two guys running the Russian mob activity for most of the US, if the articles are correct. No joke that Felix Sater grew up with Cohen and they have been friends for decades...and Cohen's FIL who was doing business funneling Russian money to Trump's RE deals "recommended" Cohen to Trump
So we think Trump did a favor for the FIL by taking in Cohen who came from bottom run law school and isn't really a very good attorney by using Cohen as his "fixer", his strong-arm...

But what if it was the other way around
What if the Russian Mob was doing so much business with Trump that they wanted someone on the inside to keep an eye on Trump---
To ensure they were getting their fair ROI--some of their deals could have taken years to pay off and everyone knew Trump would stiff his own mother to get ahead...
So what if Cohen was the MOB's watchdog on Trump and company???

What is everything Cohen has done for Trump has also been done with knowledge and approval of the Russian mob--because Cohen came in about the time the world's financing started to fall apart and everyone knows Trump was getting all his financing from foreign money
Most stories agree the Russian mob in America still has ties to Russian organized crime and oligarchs who want to launder billions in illegal/undeclared cash....

So my thinking is what if Trump isn't really the "hammer" but the "nail"???
Cohen is the fulcrum Trump's leverage comes from--not Trump making his deals by his skills or using his media savvy or his charisma...
That Trump is just one method the Russians use to protect the money they extort from all their various illegal enterprises...
That's a nice fiction you put together and, a waste of time. You are 100% wrong.

 
Old 04-18-2018, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Originally Posted by Weichert View Post
Basically, you are saying that Cohen is THE Russian connection for Trump.
That is correct. But, it's not as salacious as Loves To read things it is. And, Cohen has plenty of money. The reason he tapped his HELOC to pay the ***** was so he would have a legit paper trail in case the left pulled this crap on him.
 
Old 04-18-2018, 09:37 PM
 
Location: New York City
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right on cue, NY attorney general trying to quickly change double jeopardy laws to hammer Trump associates:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/n...r-pardons.html

Trump must act fast to protect his peeps
 
Old 04-18-2018, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Originally Posted by BlakeJones View Post
Presidential powers only extend to convictions under Federal law, if convicted of violations of State Law, only the State governor can pardon, not the president. This is problematic for Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen. But thankfully for the Donald there's a way out of this...

Step 1: Direct Jeff Sessions to charge Cohen for all actions as federal crime
Step 2: Cohen pleads guilty (or not, doesn't matter)
Step 3: Trump Pardons Cohen
Step 4: State charges dropped, cannot convict twice for same actions because of double jeopardy


Federal & State Law co-exist with dual sovereignty, meaning that double jeopardy does not automatically apply. Even with a State trial, the Feds can still prosecute in all cases for the same offense where there is jurisdiction. But the reverse isn't always true, states like Pennsylvania have explicit laws that stop the state from prosecuting a crime where a federal trial was held.

New York State does have such a law will get Cohen off, Criminal Procedure Law Section 40.20:



(and CPL section 40.30) where prosecution is for charges:



Of course NY Governor Cuomo is a big time Trump hater, so he's going to try to get this law amended ASAP. So obviously time is of the essence.

tick tock...

My guess is, you are not an Attorney.
 
Old 04-18-2018, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Cohen has to be charged with something first.
 
Old 04-18-2018, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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^^bingo.

On another note, double jeopardy does not apply when crimes are charged by different sovereigns. The state and the federal government are two separate sovereigns with distinct and independent legal systems. Thus, Cohen could theoretically (I write "theoretically" as no crime has been charged and there's no guarantee that one will be charged) be charged and convicted by the federal government and then subsequently by, say, the state of New York.

Having written that, New York State law expressly prohibits the state from charging persons who receive a federal pardon, which is why the state AG is trying to change the law. But that's pure state policy and is not mandated by the Constitution.
 
Old 04-18-2018, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by LGR_NYR View Post
That is correct. But, it's not as salacious as Loves To read things it is. And, Cohen has plenty of money. The reason he tapped his HELOC to pay the ***** was so he would have a legit paper trail in case the left pulled this crap on him.
What did the left pull on Cohen?? The SDNY are a bunch of Republicans.
 
Old 04-18-2018, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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I'm sure they have multiple charges on Cohen. The feds could charge on half of them - if convicted, many years in prison. If pardoned, the state turns around and charges him for the other half, if convicted many years in state prison and no pardon.
 
Old 04-18-2018, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Originally Posted by normstad View Post
Oh, the Clinton years, right?

Oh, for a scandal that just involved a stain on a blue dress!

I guess it is better to have a President who gets spanked by porn stars and then pays them off, isn't it ?
 
Old 04-18-2018, 10:22 PM
 
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Originally Posted by LGR_NYR View Post
That is correct. But, it's not as salacious as Loves To read things it is. And, Cohen has plenty of money. The reason he tapped his HELOC to pay the ***** was so he would have a legit paper trail in case the left pulled this crap on him.
I love that--
You must have gone to same law school Michael Cohen did
The "paper trail" he left is what got the FBI/DOJ to investigate his use of that money to pay off Daniels--as campaign fraud...
The bank he used "red-flagged" it as suspicious transaction and forwarded it to the Tresury Dept
Glad he is so good about leaving a paper trail
SDNY should have an easy time finding all the other criminal activities he is complicite in accomplishing
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