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Old 04-21-2018, 12:28 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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If you are physically fit and can pass a background check and drug test my company would make you an apprentice and within 3 years you’ll be making 6 figures. But you work OT and shift work and you work in the elements. Americans need to step up because the legal Mexicans we hire are making us look really bad.
But then there's no work life balance. I hear you have to have that or you should just turn the job down.


Trades have changed along with everything else. The number (percent) of college graduates hasn't really changed much, although it has risen a bit over the last couple decades. What has changed are those jobs that required not much more than physicality. Now you have to have a bit of brains as well as brawn.
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Old 04-21-2018, 12:32 PM
 
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Trades associated with construction and housing are subject to boom and bust cycles associated with real estate supply and demand. This is not for the faint of heart. Feast or famine is not an easy way to live.
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Old 04-21-2018, 12:34 PM
 
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Trades associated with construction and housing are subject to boom and bust cycles associated with real estate supply and demand. This is not for the faint of heart. Feast or famine is not an easy way to live.
Yes we have a brother in law who is an electrician in Toronto and boom/bust is real. When the economy is good -- lots of work, overtime and you take it -- when there is a bust...you sit at home waiting for things to pick up.
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Old 04-21-2018, 12:34 PM
 
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Agreed. College is not for everyone. Working in the trades is useful and pays well and should be respected.
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Old 04-21-2018, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Demand is such that a machinist, electrician or carpenter will make more than many with bachelor's degrees.
True but if you injure yourself your pretty much up a creek plus the whole no work life balance. Trades are great for some people but they are not all sunshine and roses and the money comes at a cost your health.
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Old 04-21-2018, 12:55 PM
 
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https://nypost.com/2018/03/10/the-5-...es-in-america/

1. A majority of college students don’t finish on time — and a large minority never finish at all.

2. Most of the curriculum is neither socially useful nor personally enjoyable.

3. The “hidden benefits” of college are mostly wishful thinking.

4. The more education our society has, the more every worker needs to get a job. (i.e., credential inflation)

5. Thanks to heavy government subsidies and “locked-in syndrome,” our dysfunctional system is built to last.

The last is the biggest problem and makes it unreformable. The professoriat would never stand for shifting more to trade education. It would mean too many of them would be jobless. And unemployable.
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Old 04-21-2018, 01:05 PM
 
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The one trade that I've seen that always has work even in a slow cycle is welding.

For the most part trades are like athletes. You have a set amount of time, which may vary by trade, for peak performance and then decline. That's why you don't see to many 65 y/o roofers.
Best be working on moving up into management or something less physically demanding. A guy who can run a crew is often more valuable than a crew run without direction.
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Old 04-21-2018, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I have a master's degree and I'm as useless as they come.
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Old 04-21-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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It won't help... There will always be a segment of society that looks down their nose at the guy they call to fix their toilets. At the same time lamenting their MBA in basket weaving won't help them get a job ....
Yeah us poor MBA graduates going on to work at Fortune 500 companies with fresh hires making six figure salaries with massive bonuses. I make more $ than any employed trade worker.

And lets not even go into the army of MD, CPAs, PEs, JDs, etc that all earn more than tradesmen. However, if you are sub 120 IQ I wouldn't recommend going for a professional track, it's not going to work. If you have 90 IQ and low aptitude being a tradesman and unclogging toilets all day is definitely the way to go.
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Old 04-21-2018, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Yeah us poor MBA graduates going on to work at Fortune 500 companies with fresh hires making six figure salaries with massive bonuses. I make more $ than any employed trade worker.

And lets not even go into the army of MD, CPAs, PEs, JDs, etc that all earn more than tradesmen. However, if you are sub 120 IQ I wouldn't recommend going for a professional track, it's not going to work. If you have 90 IQ and low aptitude being a tradesman and unclogging toilets all day is definitely the way to go.
Pretty harsh and in some cases trades can make quite a bit more money than fresh college grads. Now the downside is you have to work alot way more than 40 hours a week and if your body fails you your done in that line of work.
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