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Old 06-04-2018, 05:57 PM
 
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No one ever said Canada was a threat. It's frustrating to watch the left knowingly repeat that lie over and over. Trump said not being self sufficient in steel and aluminum production is a national security threat AND it's a work around from the crony congressmen, who've been taking corporate money for decades. By declaring it a national security threat he doesn't need Congresses approval. Now please stop repeating this lie.

Im qouting the leadership of Canada. Maybe you should talk to them:


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TRUDEAU: Obviously, we have watched this president operate and worked with him over the past year. And we know that he prides himself on being unpredictable from time to time, so that's not really the crux of it. One of the things that I have to admit I'm having a lot of trouble getting around is the idea that this entire thing is coming about because the president and the administration have decided that Canada, and Canadian steel and aluminum, is a national security threat to the United states.
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Old 06-04-2018, 06:07 PM
 
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No one ever said Canada was a threat. It's frustrating to watch the left knowingly repeat that lie over and over. Trump said not being self sufficient in steel and aluminum production is a national security threat AND it's a work around from the crony congressmen, who've been taking corporate money for decades. By declaring it a national security threat he doesn't need Congresses approval. Now please stop repeating this lie.
If it is national security then rare earth elements are more of a security threat that steel or aluminum. There are public domain intelligence briefings on this. Basically China dominates this market. I would not be surprised if they use this in response to tariffs.

70% of U.S. steel is recycled so even without digging steel would not suddenly dry up.
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Old 06-04-2018, 06:14 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Im qouting the leadership of Canada. Maybe you should talk to them:

Now you know it's a lie, so stop repeating it. You might also want to use some critical thinking next time Justin or whats-her-name start flapping their lips since you now know they're intentionally lying to the American people.


They had a nice scam going on. It's over now, but they don't want to let it go. They're only making it worse. Justin signed the TPP, which guaranteed the end of NAFTA and he wasn't even smart enough to realize it.


They are babes in Trumpland.
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Old 06-04-2018, 06:24 PM
 
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Now you know it's a lie, so stop repeating it. You might also want to use some critical thinking next time Justin or whats-her-name start flapping their lips since you now know they're intentionally lying to the American people.


They had a nice scam going on. It's over now, but they don't want to let it go. They're only making it worse. Justin signed the TPP, which guaranteed the end of NAFTA and he wasn't even smart enough to realize it.

They are babes in Trumpland.
You do know they import more from us then they export to us. Right? And the implications that Canada despite being our best ally ever would not produce steel and aluminum for us, thus implying its a national security issue because they are a possible threat.

The Canadians are not known for lying, thats Trump. Trumpland is FULL of people believing the lies he states, so yeah...welcome to Trumpland.

The FACTS are....we had a great deal with Canada. They were buying more of our stuff then us them. Trade deals are not always win-lose. Most are win-win. And when they are buying more of our stuff then we are buying of theirs, it was a huge win for us. Maybe you should take some time to try and read up some of this.

Does the U.S. Run a Trade Deficit with Canada? | Time

Dont be like Trump:
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“Trudeau came to see me…‘Donald, we have no trade deficit’,” Trump said during a fundraising speech. Audio of the speech was first obtained by The Washington Post and confirmed by TIME. “I said, ‘Wrong, Justin, you do.’ I didn’t even know. … I had no idea.”
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Old 06-04-2018, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Canada
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No one ever said Canada was a threat. It's frustrating to watch the left knowingly repeat that lie over and over. Trump said not being self sufficient in steel and aluminum production is a national security threat AND it's a work around from the crony congressmen, who've been taking corporate money for decades. By declaring it a national security threat he doesn't need Congresses approval. Now please stop repeating this lie.
Link please.
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Old 06-04-2018, 06:40 PM
 
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EU Ambassador to the U.S. David O’Sullivan: “I don’t see how steel imports from NATO allies can be deemed to be a national security threat to the United States,” he added. Under Article 5 of the NATO treaty, members of the alliance pledge to defend any ally that comes under attack.
The EU doesn't buy this argument either. These are our allies, trying to claim that this is a national security issue only applies if we were going to leave NATO. Russia and China must be loving this.
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Old 06-04-2018, 07:14 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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You do know they import more from us then they export to us. Right? And the implications that Canada despite being our best ally ever would not produce steel and aluminum for us, thus implying its a national security issue because they are a possible threat.

The Canadians are not known for lying, thats Trump. Trumpland is FULL of people believing the lies he states, so yeah...welcome to Trumpland.

The FACTS are....we had a great deal with Canada. They were buying more of our stuff then us them. Trade deals are not always win-lose. Most are win-win. And when they are buying more of our stuff then we are buying of theirs, it was a huge win for us. Maybe you should take some time to try and read up some of this.

Does the U.S. Run a Trade Deficit with Canada? | Time

Dont be like Trump:

You don't understand negotiations. Steel/aluminum tariffs with Canada, are actually about Canada's exploitation of NAFTA. The reason Canada has a a bustling steel industry, or auto industry, et al. is because they're allowing foreign corporations to exploit the NAFTA loophole into the U.S. Do you believe foreign steel corporations would have bought up Canadian steel factories if they couldn't ship that steel into the US tariff free via NAFTA? Or foreign auto makers, or any other corporations for that matter? Hell no. The ONLY reason they invested in Canada was to get to the US market without paying the entrance fee. Why should Canada get all that industry, revenue & jobs when the only thing they have to offer is free entrance into the U.S.?



Look at South Korea, also an strong ally. SK knew they were abusing us, so they agreed to allow the US to sell more cars in SK & relax the preposterous red tape that made it prohibitive for US corporations to do business there. Voila' they're exempt from the steel/aluminum tariffs. It was that easy. Canada simply chose not to be fair or reasonable and are going to pay the price until they wise up.
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Old 06-04-2018, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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There were tons of articles and lots of discussions on the economic impact of raising the minimum wage of fast food workers.

I guess you missed it.
And they came back saying nothing to see here, move on. Moreover, people should suck it up. Now I say the same thing to beer drinkers. They are the same guys who pay $5 for a $1 beer bottle to impress their date.
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:19 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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You don't understand negotiations. Steel/aluminum tariffs with Canada, are actually about Canada's exploitation of NAFTA. The reason Canada has a a bustling steel industry, or auto industry, et al. is because they're allowing foreign corporations to exploit the NAFTA loophole into the U.S. Do you believe foreign steel corporations would have bought up Canadian steel factories if they couldn't ship that steel into the US tariff free via NAFTA? Or foreign auto makers, or any other corporations for that matter? Hell no. The ONLY reason they invested in Canada was to get to the US market without paying the entrance fee. Why should Canada get all that industry, revenue & jobs when the only thing they have to offer is free entrance into the U.S.?



Look at South Korea, also an strong ally. SK knew they were abusing us, so they agreed to allow the US to sell more cars in SK & relax the preposterous red tape that made it prohibitive for US corporations to do business there. Voila' they're exempt from the steel/aluminum tariffs. It was that easy. Canada simply chose not to be fair or reasonable and are going to pay the price until they wise up.
This was just recently but I did not see the details.

Didn't the South Koreans agree to give up some kind of delayed inspections (red tape) for American goods entering the country? I believe it was really just a delaying process, an example of a hidden trade barrier that makes it harder to sell foreign goods in South Korea. Why the USA had put up with this sort of thing for so long, is the real question.
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Old 06-05-2018, 02:38 AM
 
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Can we consolidate the three "Canada USA Tariff trade war" discussions into one?

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...tariffs-5.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/canad...-begins-3.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...l#post52102515

thanks

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