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Are you joking? Just read the many comments in this forum dealing with illegal immigration in the past couple of weeks and the subject of going after the employers who hire illegal aliens has been brought up numerous times, geesh! The illegal aliens are just as guilty as those who hire them. No one drags them over the border to work unlawfully and their reasons for doing so irrelevant and not justifiable. No one has a right to a better life by breaking laws and taking from others what doesn't belong to them. They know what they are doing is wrong. Both need to be held accountable.
This thread alone is 15 pages long.
I stand by my assertion that holding corporations accountable is rarely, if ever, discussed by anyone on this forum.
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The subject isn't "immigration" it's illegal immigration. Are you confused? I also live in Calif. and know how devastating illegal immigration has been to our state. The only ones who benefit from illegal immigration are those who hire them for profit while the rest of us get the shaft in terms of lost jobs, reduced wages and sharing in the over $100 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us.
No, I am a lawyer, and am intimately aware of the actual circumstances regarding immigration. And as a tax attorney, I have yet to see illegal aliens cost us anything. By all means, be the first to live in an America where slave labor doesn't pave your roads, take care of your elderly, and handle all of the agriculture that feeds you.
I mean, it's such an easy solution, right?
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The last time the GOP introduced e-verify to reign in the employers it was voted down by the Democrats or the Dems attach an amnesty to it. Maybe it is they you need to address.
Oh. Maybe it isn't so easy after all if you can so easily find (and so badly misinterpret) such damning evidence.
By the way, in the entire course of this conversation, did it ever occur to you that you actually have no idea which corporations even employ the most illegal immigrants? Let alone the vast majority of economic boons you enjoy because of illegal immigration? You are terribly guilty of using blame to reap the benefits and avoid changing the status quo.
I've been on this message board for a decade, and every time this conversation comes up, literally no one ever suggests holding corporations accountable.
The reasons change with the political climate, but you already know that. It's just that every discussion blames something except for the only reason people come here: to earn money they couldn't back home.
And I'm a supporter of immigration. A very liberal supporter. And a very liberal supporter from a very liberal city and a long-time resident of a very Democratic state that is at the center of the blame-game (California).
Welfare policies are blamed. Or socialism. Or Democrats in general. But everyone from California to Georgia is profting massively from illegal immigration, which is why we have a media discussion that covers everything but the truth.
So if you want to stop illegal immigration for whatever reason, enact very harsh regulation on corporations. Regulation with teeth. Demand that it be enforced, whether state or federal. The only reason people come here is for economic opportunity that is unavailable elsewhere.
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The Democrats in my state (currently Illinois) don't want to stop illegal immigration for the same reason Californians don't, which is the same reason Republicans and conservatives in Georgia and Texas don't want to it to stop. It's mostly agriculture, but it's also the cheap labor that makes medical care, construction, retail, restaurants, and hard labor affordable.
Medical care is the big one, because every politician at the federal level is painfully aware that illegal labor is the only way we can foot the bill for Medicare/Medicaid.
There are unlimited visas for agricultural workers so why would illegal aliens be needed for that industry? Only 2% of illegal aliens are working in that industry anyway. I am well aware of the traitors among us who use illegal aliens to increase their profits and that's why we need to start enforcing our immigration laws at the border and in our interior against both the employers and their illegal hires. Those industries survived just fine using American before millions of cheap illegals flooded our border willing to work for less.
Your last sentence is just plain ludicrous. The medical industry survived just fine without illegal aliens in the past. You sound more and more like an illegal alien supporter with each and every post where profit supercedes our laws and the rights the of the American worker/taxpayer. Just how cheap are those medical supplies and care when you factor in the over $100 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us? Calif. is loaded with loony liberals with no respect for our immigration laws. If I were younger I'd leave this state.
Are you joking? Just read the many comments in this forum dealing with illegal immigration in the past couple of weeks and the subject of going after the employers who hire illegal aliens has been brought up numerous times, geesh! The illegal aliens are just as guilty as those who hire them. No one drags them over the border to work unlawfully and their reasons for doing so irrelevant and not justifiable. No one has a right to a better life by breaking laws and taking from others what doesn't belong to them. They know what they are doing is wrong. Both need to be held accountable.
Most every one of us would do the same if not for the luck of place of birth. If we were born elsewhere and someone said "come, bring your family, I have a job that will allow you a better life" most of us would do so.
Bad luck can happen to anyone. If something happened where I was down on my luck, I may steal a loaf of bread to feed my family. I may know it is wrong but I would still do it.
You mean businesses that employ thousands of people? You think Walmart and/ or McDonalds hires undocumented workers? Think again.
It’s small businesses most of which have no payroll. These businesses are often corporations, too. And it’s individual households who desire cheap( er) labor.
I am sorry I don’t track your thought about illegal labor and footing the bill for Medicaid/ Medicare.
Illegal immigrants do actually pay payroll taxes. It's the easiest way for corporations to enjoy the benefits but avoid charges of tax evasion. That illegal immigrants cannot (and do not) receive Social Security, for example, means that they are paying into a system they can never qualify to receive.
And yes, Walmart and McDonalds both make massive use of so-called "undocumented" labor. So does Amazon. Maybe you live in a state where it is much less obvious, but I assure you, it is glaringly obvious in most other places. You've already patronized many restaurants where illegal immigrants served you and made your dinner
I stand by my assertion that holding corporations accountable is rarely, if ever, discussed by anyone on this forum.
No, I am a lawyer, and am intimately aware of the actual circumstances regarding immigration. And as a tax attorney, I have yet to see illegal aliens cost us anything. By all means, be the first to live in an America where slave labor doesn't pave your roads, take care of your elderly, and handle all of the agriculture that feeds you.
I mean, it's such an easy solution, right?
Oh. Maybe it isn't so easy after all if you can so easily find (and so badly misinterpret) such damning evidence.
By the way, in the entire course of this conversation, did it ever occur to you that you actually have no idea which corporations even employ the most illegal immigrants? Let alone the vast majority of economic boons you enjoy because of illegal immigration? You are terribly guilty of using blame to reap the benefits and avoid changing the status quo.
Corporations are employers, duh. Illegal aliens don't cost us anything? Are you joking? So you're all for slave labor to? I already told you that there are unlimited visas for ag workers and only 2% of illegal aliens are working in that industry so why are you bringing up the ag industry argument again? Shouldn't Americans pave roads as they use to so they can make a living to support their families? What was with the phoney outrage about the employers when in this very post you make it plain that you want illegal aliens to remain here and to continue to come here. Kind of tripped yourself up, didn't you?
If I supposedly reap any so-called benefits of illegal immigration (unknowingly) it pales in comparison to what they cost us. These corporations certainly don't advertise that they hire illegals aliens, duh. I care about our own citizens being able to get jobs at a far wage and being able to support their families but apparently having cheap, illegal labor is more important to you. I find your anti-America, anti-laws attitude despicable therefore you are going on my ignore list. I can't stomach your posts anymore. You are a prime example of what's wrong with this state and country. And no, illegal alien's tax contributions of about $19 billion a year pales in comparison to the taxes they cost us. Illegal aliens also send billions out of our country back to their homelands not spent in our economy.
I have said it here on this forum before: The surest way to stem the flow of illegal immigration is to hold responsible the corporations that employ them.
It is odd how that never seems to be part of the discussion.
What corporations?
You think Walmart, McDonalds and Amazon are hiring undocumented workers?
Most large scale employers do the eVerify thing even when the state does not require it.
It’s all about small business which are often corporations and household seeking cheaper sources of labor.
A few years back I needed to relplace my roof- a tear off. I solicited bids and made it clear the business had to provide my with a certificate of insurance naming me as an additional insured and that only documented workers be on site. Needless to say, most did not follow through or show for the estimate.
Finally found a father/ son who did the work themselves.
Most people hire contractors based on price and don’t care who the contractors employ and look the other way.
Most people? So you speak for most citizens in this country? How would you know what they do? I know contractors who employ citizens or legal workers only and can prove it and if I didn't I wouldn't hire any of them until I found one because of our labor and immigration laws, liabilities and I have seen first hand the shoddy workmanship of illegal aliens in some homes that were built across the street from me.
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I already told you that there are unlimited visas for ag workers and only 2% of illegal aliens are working in that industry so why are you bringing up the ag industry argument again? Shouldn't Americans pave roads as they use to so they can make a living to support their families? What was with the phoney outrage about the employers when in this very post you make it plain that you want illegal aliens to remain here and to continue to come here. Kind of tripped yourself up, didn't you? 
