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What is this world coming to, with one year olds crying hysterically. That never used to happen. Welcome to Trump's America!
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Originally Posted by Hapa1
I’m glad that these nonprofit organizations are at least representing these toddlers. It’s beyond sad! Trump is a garbage president!
Hysterical reaction....Yes that did happen and has happened over and over again since Clinton was in office.
Its the flocking law that liberals help pass.
Liberals just have to get over losing the White House to someone who is keeping his campaign promises unlike Obama who said he would close Gitmo in his first year in office and promised millions they could keep their doctor and insurance. How did that work out for liberals?
Here is my solution, again as stated in prior posts, unite families and set them free....in Mexico.
I'm not that big into the immigration debate. I don't know what it takes to get here legally so I don't know if these people had other options or not. I'm trying to understand where people are coming from that use dehumanizing terms for them. I do believe it is unethical to make an example of these people by separating their children from them.
I don't like the fact these children are separated - but that is the law. These people have broken the law and so the children don't end up with detention centers with them they place them with caregivers in other facilities.
I'll tell you right now - this Democrat would load up the buses and drive them back over the border. You broke the law entering this country illegally. No court - no feeding you and giving you medical care. Follow the rules and apply like others and I welcome you with open arms.
Now for all of you - tell me what do you think happens when a naturalized or legal immigrant parent(s) breaks the law? The parent(s) is taken into custody and the children are removed from the home and placed with family services. Should these children stay with their parents in the holding centers or prison?
Why is so much made of the illegal situation when the same thing is happening right within our country to our own citizens. What about those kids?
What utter nonsense. There is no labor shortage just an unwillingness of some greedy employers to pay a fair wage. What's wrong with declining birthrates? Environmentally it's much better for our country and the planet in general. Everything shouldn't be about money. A smaller economy to fit a smaller population makes more sense in general.
What's wrong with declining birthrates and an aging population? Ask Japan - they are in their second decade of economic stagnation because of low birthrate and aging population coupled with lack of immigration. Did you know that in 1965, there were 4.0 workers for every Social Security beneficiary but by 2010 the ratio fell to 2.9 and is projected to dip below 2.0 by 1930? They are an economic necessity.
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
Most of the illegal aliens here are the unskilled, poor and uneducated. Should we soften our immigration policies to accommodate more of them when obviously they would be a burden rather than a benefit to our society?
Economists agree that immigrants are a net benefit to the economy. Nearly everyone would benefit if they were naturalized and made part of the formal economy. Deporting them would be costly both in terms of the expense of deportation and in terms of economic harm. Incidentally, not counting those related to their immigration, they commit crimes at a lower rate than American citizens.
Oh yeah.
I'm sure we all have one or 100 stories to tell about the DMV, SS office, County Court Clerk, basically any government office. There is a reason that there is a very high counter and sometime plate glass wall between the employees and the public.
Because it is the most practical thing to do under the circumstances. If we are going to make it easier to enter the country legally, what is the point of forcing illegal immigrants to go through the ministerial step of putting their foot outside of the country during the application process? It doesn't do our economy any good to deport 13 million people even if we could. Let them apply for naturalization, pay back taxes, and contribute to society and the economy going forward. This is particularly true for DACA recipients.
Actually we do. The US has a labor shortage and an aging population.
It's not practical for the American people and makes a mockery out of our immigration laws and the process begins in their own countries not on our soil. It does plenty of good for the American worker/taxpayer to deport illegal aliens as they are found. Americans need their jobs back and no, there is not shortage of blue-collared American workers. Our citizenship should not be for sale after violating our immigration laws. We have enough Americans that have lost their jobs to illegal aliens that would be paying taxes and contributing to our society with the exit of millions of illegals from our country. The DACAs number 1.8 million. Our own American youth don't need competition from them for jobs and resources. It's also rewarding their parents for bringing them here illegally and now they are crying for amnesty for their law breaking parents. When does this amnesty BS end? We tried this back in1986 and now we have at least quadruple the number of illegal aliens here today.
They all need to go back home and apply to come back legally within our annual quotas and at the end of line of those who have already applied to come here. Nothing else is fair.
Economists agree that immigrants are a net benefit to the economy. Nearly everyone would benefit if they were naturalized and made part of the formal economy. Incidentally, not counting those related to their immigration, they commit crimes at a lower rate than American citizens.
It's not practical for the American people and makes a mockery out of our immigration laws and the process begins in their own countries not on our soil. It does plenty of good for the American worker/taxpayer to deport illegal aliens as they are found. Americans need their jobs back and no, there is not shortage of blue-collared American workers.
Those jobs have been lost to machines, not Mexicans. They are not coming back no matter what.
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
Our citizenship should not be for sale after violating our immigration laws.
This is an argument grounded in emotion, not detached cost-benefit analysis.
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
We have enough Americans that have lost their jobs to illegal aliens that would be paying taxes and contributing to our society with the exit of millions of illegals from our country. The DACAs number 1.8 million. Our own American youth don't need competition from them for jobs and resources.
DACAs are already working. Legalizing them will not displace anyone. As stated above, we have a labor shortage, not surplus. Naturalizing immigrants would quell your concerns about paying taxes and contributing to society.
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
It's also rewarding their parents for bringing them here illegally and now they are crying for amnesty for their law breaking parents. When does this amnesty BS end? We tried this back in1986 and now we have at least quadruple the number of illegal aliens here today.
They all need to go back home and apply to come back legally within our annual quotas and at the end of line of those who have already applied to come here. Nothing else is fair.
This is an argument grounded in emotion, not detached cost-benefit analysis.
What's wrong with declining birthrates and an aging population? Ask Japan - they are in their second decade of economic stagnation because of low birthrate and aging population coupled with lack of immigration. Did you know that in 1965, there were 4.0 workers for every Social Security beneficiary but by 2010 the ratio fell to 2.9 and is projected to dip below 2.0 by 1930? They are an economic necessity.
Economists agree that immigrants are a net benefit to the economy. Nearly everyone would benefit if they were naturalized and made part of the formal economy. Deporting them would be costly both in terms of the expense of deportation and in terms of economic harm. Incidentally, not counting those related to their immigration, they commit crimes at a lower rate than American citizens.
We don't have to be like Japan just because we don't reward illegal aliens with amnesty and reduce legal immigration to the ones we actually need. We already allow in 1 million legal immigrants a year. We don't need any more at this time. Oh, I see you are a fan of the Ponzi scheme in regards to SS. Who's going to pay into SS for all the "immigrants" when they retire then? Just keep increasing our population numbers all the time? No, we need to get pass the baby boomer generation and stabilize our population growth not increase it. Again, I ask how are Americans to get their jobs back with the legalization of millions of illegal aliens? A good portion of them have flooded the construction industry which use to pay a fair and liveable wage to Americans.
I couldn't care less what economists say. They are of the liberal mindset and members of the elite who want cheap, foreign labor to continue. It would be far less costly to deport illegal aliens than to allow them to remain here. They cost us over $100 billion a year above and beyond any taxes they may pay in and they also send back billions of dollars to their homelands not spent in our economy. Do you think that will change by granting them amnesty? Better yet, deter them at the border with a good wall so most can't get in here in the first place where they are much harder to weed out and more expensive to do so. Crime rates? Don't make me laugh! One crime committed by an illegal alien is one too many as they don't even have a right to be in this country. What about all those that haven't been caught yet committing felony ID theft and other crimes? We have enough of our own home grown criminals without having to deal with them to.
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