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Old 07-14-2018, 04:00 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Evading the question I see.


The point was - is it reasonable to "indict" foreign intelligence operatives, living outside of the US, for doing their jobs? And if so, what is the process of selection on which ones to indict and which ones to leave alone? From what I see it definitely is not by how bad the "crime" is or how much evidence of the "crime" exists.

I say such indictments are stupid and make us a laughing stock. What do you say?
Normally indictments such as these are 'sealed' indictments so that when the Russian spy tries to re-enter the US - he is arrested.

But, in this case, the indictments handed down are done so with another purpose. To start to tell the American people what happened. Connecting the dots so to speak.

Are you starting to get the picture?
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Old 07-14-2018, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So, why would I be ready to march off the cliff....those on the right think for themselves....


Those on the left just spew what they are told to spew....just as you do...
Boy, oh boy!

Right-wing authoritarians are people who have a high degree of willingness to submit to authorities they perceive as established and legitimate, who adhere to societal conventions and norms, and who are hostile and punitive in their attitudes towards people who don't adhere to them. They value uniformity and are in favour of using group authority, including coercion, to achieve it.
Right-wing authoritarians want society and social interactions structured in ways that increase uniformity and minimize diversity. In order to achieve that, they tend to be in favour of social control, coercion, and the use of group authority to place constraints on the behaviours of people such as political dissidents and ethnic minorities. These constraints might include restrictions on immigration, limits on free speech and association and laws regulating moral behaviour. It is the willingness to support or take action that leads to increased social uniformity that makes right-wing authoritarianism more than just a personal distaste for difference. Right-wing authoritarianism is characterized by obedience to authority, moral absolutism, racial and ethnic prejudice, and intolerance and punitiveness towards dissidents and deviants.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-...thoritarianism

Now, I know that's a lot of reading, chuck.

But try to...

...Carry on.

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Old 07-14-2018, 04:05 PM
 
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The evidence is mounting. What i’m Wondering is if Pence and Ryan are complicit? Just curious. You never know how far down the line the traitors go. I know a few of the Republican Senators need investigated.
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Old 07-14-2018, 04:06 PM
 
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Boy, oh boy!

Right-wing authoritarians are people who have a high degree of willingness to submit to authorities they perceive as established and legitimate, who adhere to societal conventions and norms, and who are hostile and punitive in their attitudes towards people who don't adhere to them. They value uniformity and are in favour of using group authority, including coercion, to achieve it.
Right-wing authoritarians want society and social interactions structured in ways that increase uniformity and minimize diversity. In order to achieve that, they tend to be in favour of social control, coercion, and the use of group authority to place constraints on the behaviours of people such as political dissidents and ethnic minorities. These constraints might include restrictions on immigration, limits on free speech and association and laws regulating moral behaviour. It is the willingness to support or take action that leads to increased social uniformity that makes right-wing authoritarianism more than just a personal distaste for difference. Right-wing authoritarianism is characterized by obedience to authority, moral absolutism, racial and ethnic prejudice, and intolerance and punitiveness towards dissidents and deviants.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-...thoritarianism

Now, I know that's a lot of reading, chuck.

But try to...

...Carry on.

Great post
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Old 07-14-2018, 04:09 PM
 
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Can anyone show me where the russian election meddling was pro trump? I don't want "well the msm said so" I want proof...


Also, why can no one answer "why did russia push more propaganda AFTER the election"?
Unfortunately, the MSM is all we have. Mueller has the rest. I guess we'll have to wait for that.
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Old 07-14-2018, 04:10 PM
 
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And why do we have a "Special counsel" working on this?
Because evidently we need one.
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Old 07-14-2018, 04:10 PM
 
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Normally indictments such as these are 'sealed' indictments so that when the Russian spy tries to re-enter the US - he is arrested.

But, in this case, the indictments handed down are done so with another purpose. To start to tell the American people what happened. Connecting the dots so to speak.

Are you starting to get the picture?
Oh yes, I understand. So the indictments are not in order to punish the crime. It is for political theater. Yes, I get the picture.
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Old 07-14-2018, 04:10 PM
 
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The evidence is mounting. What i’m Wondering is if Pence and Ryan are complicit? Just curious. You never know how far down the line the traitors go. I know a few of the Republican Senators need investigated.
My guess, it goes far down.
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Old 07-14-2018, 04:11 PM
 
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Oh yes, I understand. So the indictments are not in order to punish the crime. It is for political theater. Yes, I get the picture.
I don't think there can be indictments for political theater. Or at least I don't think that is how the law works.
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Old 07-14-2018, 04:19 PM
 
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I don't think there can be indictments for political theater. Or at least I don't think that is how the law works.
But that's exactly what is happening. These indictments are not to bring the criminals to justice. These "criminals" are far away, work for a foreign intelligence service doing their job and obviously are never going to be extradited. More, there are thousands of much more egregious crimes that other well known foreign intelligence professionals far away commit daily ("espionage", anyone) that they are never going to be indicted for, since that is a really stupid and laughable thing to do.

So, as the leftie above posted, these indictments are for pure political theater. How did he put it - "to tell American people what happened". Not to serve the interests of justice in any way.

Of course, why he thinks that the phony indictments will do the job when numerous press releases, various intelligence agencies' reports and incessant media reporting didn't, I have no idea.
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