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Old 07-15-2018, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Then why did mueller run the other way when one of the original indictments shown up?
You keep bringing this up like it's a thing.

'Splain yourself, chuck.

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Old 07-15-2018, 02:25 PM
 
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You don't need to indict foreign intelligence professionals in order to indict Americans who work for them. AFAIU, that has never been done before. Maybe you can give me some examples.
There is one right in front of our eyes at this very moment.

Not sure why folks are so opposed to indicting these Russians.

What difference does it make to you whether they are indicted or not?
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Old 07-15-2018, 02:29 PM
 
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One of the things I love about the Magnitsky Act sanctions is that it identifies those who were involved in this vile business and limits where they can travel and live.

So they can steal all the money they want. Imprison and murder as many Russians as they can get away with.

But they can't travel and live in some real nice countries.

These folks are on notice now that if they want to stay safe, they better stay in Russia.
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Old 07-15-2018, 02:33 PM
 
Location: FL
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Well, what did obama do to increase...oh yea...that's right...he did something....he said (paraphrasing) stop doing it....and he kicked out some russians....AFTER the election....
and what has Trump done about it in the last 1 1/2 years? That's right, he goes and plays golf almost every weekend.
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Old 07-15-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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There is one right in front of our eyes at this very moment.

Not sure why folks are so opposed to indicting these Russians.

What difference does it make to you whether they are indicted or not?
Because it is stupid to indict foreign intelligence professionals living in their own country for doing their job, and makes us a laughing stock.
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Old 07-15-2018, 02:41 PM
 
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and what has Trump done about it in the last 1 1/2 years? That's right, he goes and plays golf almost every weekend.
Trump expelled 60 Russian diplomats. Closed a Russian consulate.

Trump imposed further economic sanctions on Russia, blacklisting five Russian companies and a couple of dozen of high level Russian government officials and oligarchs that were engaged in cyber attacks on the US.

But then you probably refused to read that when it was reported.

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Old 07-15-2018, 02:46 PM
 
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Trump expelled 60 Russian diplomats.

Trump imposed further economic sanctions on Russia, blacklisting five Russian companies and a couple of dozen of high level Russian government officials and oligarchs that were engaged in cyber attacks on the US.

But then you probably refused to read that when it was reported.
Link? Are you sure it wasn’t Obama who did that?
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Old 07-15-2018, 02:47 PM
 
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Link? Are you sure it wasn’t Obama who did that?
You're serious?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/06/u...oligarchs.html

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...lomats-lkl.cnn
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Old 07-15-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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There is one right in front of our eyes at this very moment.

Not sure why folks are so opposed to indicting these Russians.

What difference does it make to you whether they are indicted or not?
On the question of whether Trump should ask Putin to extradite the Russian (cyberwarfare) military officers in response to these indictments.

If the Russians were to correctly identify 12 CIA officers who had committed cyberwarfare crimes against Russia, and Putin agreed to extradite the 12 miltary officers indicted by the Mueller probe - if we would extradite the 12 CIA officers identified and indicted by the Russians to Russia - should we agree?

Clearly the problem here is that these cyberwarfare actions - instigated by us, the Russians, the Chinese, and many other countries - are clearly acts of national aggression, which need to be responded to at the national level and not at the individual level. What these actions are not are the acts of rogue individuals, which is what pursuing indictments against these individuals implies.

Cyberwarfare - carried out by nation-states against other nation-states - is a HUGE problem, which needs to be addressed at the nation to nation level. It is not something that can be adressed or resolved by trying to sanction individual members of adversarial nation's cyberwarfare related intelligence services.

Lastly, anyone on television or elsewhere who is advocating the extradition of these Russian military officers is apparently ignorant of these issues and they should be regarded as the ignoramouses that these people clearly are.
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Old 07-15-2018, 03:00 PM
 
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Huh?

Yea...uhhhh you know, when mueller did the initial indictments, on of those indicted showed up...mueller made a few excuses....whether or not the even accepted the indictments or not....blah blah blah.....
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