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Old 08-16-2018, 07:36 AM
 
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But profitably! Which is all that matters to many, including far too many of those who make US law.
Let us know when stop excepting a paycheck from your employer, Mother Theresa...er uh burdell
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:36 AM
 
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I had insurance through work, too. One day I worked 14 hours, much of it on my feet. When I got home that night, I realized I had rubbed a cyst on my big toe. The cyst became infected and the toe had to be amputated. I went into the hospital and, since I had insurance through my work and since I wasn't working, I lost the insurance.

The infection spread. I became septic and over the course of multiple operations, I am now a RBKA, right leg below knee amputee. I'm on disability while my leg situation is straightened out as I have also lost two toes on my remaining foot. So tell me again how I should find a job with health insurance. I'm not an unusual story. There are many of us out here that would love to hear your thoughts on how we're supposed to find jobs with our situations.
So society should take care of you because you did not have the foresight to plan ahead? Sorry you are going through this but you are not my problem nor society’s. I had planned ahead long before I became the beneficiary of a trust fund.

Sound callous, maybe, but you need to take care of you.
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:38 AM
 
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So society should take care of you because you did not have the foresight to plan ahead? Sorry you are going through this but you are not my problem nor society’s. I had planned ahead long before I became the beneficiary of a trust fund.

Sound callous, maybe, but you need to take care of you.
Most jobs in the US don't pay enough for you to plan ahead which is why a universal system is needed.
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:39 AM
 
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Most jobs in the US don't pay enough for you to plan ahead which is why a universal system is needed.
That means I pay for other people’s stuff. Uh uh. That won’t happen till after I am dead. Until ten personal responsibility.
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:40 AM
 
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Most jobs in the US don't pay enough for you to plan ahead which is why a universal system is needed.
Yeah because it certainly cant be due to govt limiting the supply of services through cronyism and bureaucracy.
But all that will vanish when it completely takes over
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:45 AM
 
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Yeah because it certainly cant be due to govt limiting the supply of services through cronyism and bureaucracy.
But all that will vanish when it completly takes over
Single payer is not the cure all. Contrary to what the socialists think. Elective surgery will be gone. No funding for plastic surgery. Expect deductibles and waits for doctor visits. Expect caps on how much you use.

It will only get worse.
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:45 AM
 
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That sounds very kind-hearted, but how does the $3.2 trillion/year price tag for it get paid (cost source: Urban Institute)?
We're already paying that much (actually more) in health insurance premiums as a nation.

The money is ALREADY there.

I say this as someone with minor annual medical expenses and employer insurance etc.

I've really come around on this topic to the point where I actually support single payer system.

Just see way too many people work a big chunk of their lives only to have some health issue jump up and screw them over royally.
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:47 AM
 
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Single payer is not the cure all. Contrary to what the socialists think. Elective surgery will be gone. No funding for plastic surgery. Expect deductibles and waits for doctor visits. Expect caps on how much you use.

It will only get worse.
Where is your information backing these claims?
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:48 AM
 
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Well neither do television manufacturers have the ability to sell TV's that don't turn on, or have no sound or no display.Are you saying you would purchase one and just accept it? Im arguing that in a free market absent gov protectionism, if the product you purchase is faulty, be it Tv's or medicine, you'll be called out for it, sued, run out of town, put out of business, etc.
as for emergency care, If we eliminate certificate of need and the myriad of other crony favoring restrictions the market could provide more venues for energency care and thus falling prices. Its an economic fact, that when supply increases, prices fall. Its almost like some of you are arguing against the existence gravity (and you're supposedly the believers in science )
We have a system now where the sick are silently killed off, silenced, or made sicker by well intentioned bureaucrats who are "just following the rules" and guv run or insurance co run it matters not. Oddly you are arguing for what we have now, but worsened by total govt control.
If you get a bad TV, the risk is not your life. Get bad medicine and you get cancer 10 years from now as a result. Its unrealistic to think that you can simply run someone out of town that does this so its no problem. You are just an ordinary person of limited means. In your system, the super rich will have all the cards, they will of course own the justice system as well, and pack the courts with corporate judges. And the media is in the hands of the elites as well. Shopping around for emergency care? You get in an accident, the ambulance will charge you no matter what. Its totally different than buying a TV. There is a reason why no developed country has such a system you are talking about. Its just an invitation for abuse and price gouging.
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:48 AM
 
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We're already paying that much (actually more) in health insurance premiums as a nation.

The money is ALREADY there.

I say this as someone with minor annual medical expenses and employer insurance etc.

I've really come around on this topic to the point where I actually support single payer system.

Just see way too many people work a big chunk of their lives only to have some health issue jump up and screw them over royally.
So rather than lower pricing and raise quality through increased market competition, your argument is to spend the same for the same poor services or less. You arent very good with numbers are you?
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