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Old 08-16-2018, 10:07 AM
 
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As long as for-profit health care rules, nothing will change. $$$ for everything. Over-treatment is also a problem. Several years ago I was anemic due to certain issues related to pre-menopause (not going into the gory details). Rather than to a gyno for hormone testing and maybe an ultrasound, I was referred to a specialist for an endoscopy and colonoscopy first. Now I am not a medical professional but shouldn't the most likely issue be checked first, before referring for very expensive procedures? The procedures didn't cost us any more than initial consulting co-pays because they were covered by health insurance, but I am sure it cost the insurance company plenty. From what I've heard, this happens a lot.

As for medications, pharma co's in the US seem to be primarily interested in providing big returns for their investors and huge bonuses for their CEO's and other high level employees. They don't want to let anything interfere with their bottom line.
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:09 AM
 
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As long as for-profit health care rules, nothing will change. $$$ for everything. Over-treatment is also a problem. Several years ago I was anemic due to certain issues related to pre-menopause (not going into the gory details). Rather than to a gyno for hormone testing and maybe an ultrasound, I was referred to a specialist for an endoscopy and colonoscopy first. Now I am not a medical professional but shouldn't the most likely issue be checked first, before referring for very expensive procedures? The procedures didn't cost us any more than initial consulting co-pays because they were covered by health insurance, but I am sure it cost the insurance company plenty. From what I've heard, this happens a lot.

As for medications, pharma co's in the US seem to be primarily interested in providing big returns for their investors and huge bonuses for their CEO's and other high level employees. They don't want to let anything interfere with their bottom line.
Let us know when you start giving all your money to charity. Profit is what motivates people. The problem we have is reliance on third party payment. When the patients become customers, things get more honest.
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:10 AM
 
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Unfortunately I feel her pain. I went to get my prescription filled this weekend. My insulin was going to be more than $500. Another med that I need was more than $200. And the pain meds that I need that I could not get my doctor to write a script for because some other person somewhere that isn't me might take someone else's pain meds -- not mine, mind you -- probably would have cost a lot too.

It's cheaper for them if we die.

Mom’s tweet about rising insulin cost goes viral
Of course. Little people are like small cogs. You don't repair those, you discard and replace.
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Ah but comrade BornintheSprings is a party official (and a jealous one at that) and gets to decide what rich is and how much people should have.
Rich is the top 10 percent of income earners that should be pretty obvious. A bit more tax for them and they are still rich. I want a floor not a ceiling.
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:14 AM
 
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When the patients become customers, things get more honest.
"honest" in this context meaning "poor people croak because they can't afford medicine".

How can people like the US right know the price of everything, yet have no idea of value?
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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This from a US person with Type 1 Diabetes, working as a nanny, in Germany:

https://theinsulintype.com/2017/11/1...rmany-edition/

5 vials FIASP

Germany w/o insurance - 199.28 EU ( 226.86 USD)

Germany with insurance- 10 EU ( 11.38uSD)

US - 1,455 USD.
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:15 AM
 
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That means I pay for other people’s stuff. Uh uh. That won’t happen till after I am dead. Until ten personal responsibility.
Other people pay for your stuff, too. It's called "society".
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:17 AM
 
Location: London
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There are many people on this board who live in countries that have UHC, and I have yet to see a single one say they would rather have our system.
I'm a dual citizen of a country with UHC, and the system isn't perfect, but no way would I ever trade it for the garbage system the States is stuck with.
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:19 AM
 
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Other people pay for your stuff, too. It's called "society".
They are called individuals. A fact conveniently disregarded when a collectivist wants to rob someone.
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:19 AM
 
Location: London
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Im not advocating "our system" I'm advocating a medical free market.
That'll never happen with things like the DEA and corporations blocking competition via patents.
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