It's cheaper for them if we die (compare, party, economy)

[Brave New World]

Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

I know the crown provided you with dozens of links to present in support of its position. Refer to the bolded.

Refer to the actual cases, they are online as are the expert opinion in relation to cases of terminally ill children.

The term terminally ill is the real give away in such court cases.

Terminally ill as in an incurable disease or condition, as in something that cannot be cured or treated beyond palliative care.

Hospices tend to specialise in life ending palliative care.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by BruSan

OR; you could ask any one of all of the other countries that manage to do what the U.S. does not have the moral temerity to do.

I've explained it MANY times. They do the following (at the link). Americans balk at doing the same.

How Other Developed Countries Tax and Spend

[Ohiogirl81]

From the "Why Didn't I Think Of That" department:

Originally Posted by tijlover

I see the OP is in SC, obviously not San Diego, El Paso or Tucson, where you can skip over to a Border town and buy much cheaper meds there.

Originally Posted by whogo

I think most people with high drug costs should do as much as possible to find a job with health insurance.

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

By the way, $3.2 trillion/year is just under $10,000/year per person. Less than $1,000/month.

They money is already there. That's what I'm paying into our current system right now, and taking very little out of it. If you don't count dental costs (*sigh*), I'm taking precious little out of the system. So I'm already covering someone else's health care, thankyouverymuch. Paying into a single-payer or universal system would be no different - except that more people would be paying into the system.

Originally Posted by Joe the Photog

I don't understand why more folks don't oppose people having to spend $500 to buy insulin for their teenage daughter as in the link I shared. Some people would rather make political points and pat themselves on the back.

Par for the course at City-Data.

Originally Posted by neko_mimi

You know what would happen to that $500 insulin if the government (tax payers) started picking up everyone's tab? It would become $2,000 insulin. They'll keep bumping that price as long as the government keeps sending those checks.

Uh, no. How do you figure that?

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Other countries don't have US's FDA, DEA, etc. regulations/restrictions. That's why I can order my astigmatism contact lenses from the UK for half the price I'd pay from a US source.

Of course they do, and even moreso than the U.S. regulatory system. The reason you're paying half price for your lenses (care to share the source? ) is because the UK regulatory system won't allow medical suppliers to jack up their prices and fleece the patient.

Originally Posted by PCALMike

Regarding sales taxes, a rich person might spend $500 000 a year and pay $50 000 a year in "regressive taxation". A poor person might spend $12000 a year and pay $1200 a year in "regressive taxation". So the rich person pays $50 000 into the system and the poor person pays $1200 into the system. Thats the wonders of taxation, ability to pay is taken into account. Even under a "regressive taxation system". Thats not the case with a for-profit health care system. You cant pay the $3000 a month cancer bills? You have to die. Whats so great about that?

Thanks for laying that out. I think some folks need a dictionary so they can learn the difference between regressive and progressive.

Originally Posted by subaru5555

It's almost as if evidence exists that private healthcare leads to artificially inflated prices in the United States, especially when compared to every other country on the planet, the vast amount of which have public healthcare:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...ther-countries

The "but the U.S. has the best health care system in the world!" apologists never let facts and evidence get in the way of their lame arguments ...

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Like I said... Get the Fed Gov (FDA, DEA, etc.) out of US health care and I could order my astigmatism contact lenses from the US for half the price like I'm now paying when I order them from the UK.

You said wrong. Perhaps you should read up on the health care regulatory system in the UK?

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

When it's paid for by taking earned income from someone else, yes, it is slavery.

Funny, my earned income is taken for a host of services, yet I don't feel the least bit enslaved.

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

That is the gist of the OP and many other posts in this thread. They're demanding a return to slavery.

Boy, when you're wrong, you're really wrong!

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

I, for one, will very likely never collect as much in Medicare benefits as I paid in Medicare taxes.

Are you planning to die young, or stay healthy? Because neither is guaranteed.

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Anytime anyone gets less than what they're forced to work/pay for, it's slavery. Americans fought a war over that and millions died.

Say what? In which war did "millions" die because they got "less than what they're forced to work/pay for"? LMAO ...

Originally Posted by MJJersey

Sorry to hear this Joe, but you can blame it on your government friend. If it didn’t create so many regulatory barriers to entry then more people could create the medication and bring the price down.

This already has been debunked upthread. Sorry.

Originally Posted by PCALMike

So advocating doing the opposite of what every other successful health care system is doing. Sounds like a successful plan.

Right? What's that definition of insanity again?

Originally Posted by Catgirl64

If so, you don't have to look far to find my reply. You use it every time you post.

Bwah hahahaha! I'll have to remember to rep you later for that one.

Originally Posted by PCALMike

Paul Ryan was open about this; if the employers no longer had the employees in a chain through the employer based insurance system, we would risk getting more disobedient workers who were less afraid of losing their job or striking out on their own.

Wow. And we wonder why our government has ceased to fight for the average working folk. We need to stop electing self-serving jokes like this.

[PCALMike]

Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

And close the damned borders.

America has lower immigration rates than lots of countries with a national health care system so thats just an excuse.

Why so eager to make up all these excuses for why we cant have a cheaper, better system which covers everyone like in the rest of the developed world? Hell, we pay about the same amount in health care taxes right now than other countries pay for their entire national health care system. We pay almost $5000 a year in health care taxes per person, more than lots of single payer systems around the world. But in addition we have to pay private insurance premiums (both employers and employees) and deductibles and co-pays and still, tens of millions are underinsured or not insured. Why defend this corrupt system tooth and nail, coming up with excuse after excuse? I dont get it.

[rstevens62]

Originally Posted by subaru5555

Wow......just wow.


For starters, pain pills should be “hard to get”; if you haven’t noticed, the nation is in the middle of a massive opioid-epidemic, fostered by PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES. It’s asinine to suggest that opioids should be easily attainable.



https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...drug-overdoses

I literally have no response for your unfounded assertion that the DEA, Obama and Drug Cartels are all colluding to game prescription drug pricing; what I can say, however, is that pharmaceutical companies frequently engage/d in underhanded practices to further pain killer sales:

Yout do realize overdose and opioid related deaths have went up since they cracked down on pain pills, pill mills, etc, right? Thats because the former pill addicts switched to heroin once they could not get pills anymore, so now we have addicts using heroin with elephant tranquilizer in it, having no idea whats really in the drugs they are using!! At least with pain pills, they come from a legitimate pharmacy and they can be sure it is what they claim.

If the pharma industry was responsible for this as you claim, and they wanted to keep cranking out more and more narcotics (to increase profits, sales), that kind of backfired, being that its almost impossible to get a doctor to write a script for a strong opioid, if the pharma industry was as powerful as people think they are, why are their cash cow drugs impossible to get now? Usually when an industry wants to increase sales or profits, its not a good idea to restrict access to those products, or allow some govt agency to come in and regulate it to death either.

Its very obvious to me the DEA is in collusion with the cartels, when was the last time you heard on the news that ANY city or state was seeing a decrease in their illegal drug problem? This means the supply chain is NEVER threatened, the supply is always plentiful, (to every city and state in the nation!!!!), Im sorry, but this does not happen without collusion to some degree.

[Roboteer]

Originally Posted by rstevens62

the Govt DOES NOT have the right to restrict access and criminalize certain drugs. Some have said this is why the Feds are not going after any states on the marijuana issue, they know if it ever goes to the SC, they will loose control over ALL drug laws.

^^^^^^^^ This.

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ned-state.html

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest

So rather than lower pricing and raise quality through increased market competition, your argument is to spend the same for the same poor services or less. You arent very good with numbers are you?

Hey thanks there Obama, I didn't know I was getting cheaper prices out of all this....lol.

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by neko_mimi

You know what would happen to that $500 insulin if the government (tax payers) started picking up everyone's tab? It would become $2,000 insulin. They'll keep bumping that price as long as the government keeps sending those checks.

But you don't really care if the price goes up, just as long as you're not the one paying the bill.

And the median annual single income would put most people around $15/hr. So your $500 insulin will end up costing someone over 30 hours of their time, working to pay for it. That's over 30 hours stolen from someone else life.

Yet that has not happened in those countries with Universal Healthcare.

Why is this?

Insulin in Germany costs a fraction of what it does in the US.

[NomadicDrifter]

Originally Posted by neko_mimi

You know what would happen to that $500 insulin if the government (tax payers) started picking up everyone's tab? It would become $2,000 insulin. They'll keep bumping that price as long as the government keeps sending those checks.

But you don't really care if the price goes up, just as long as you're not the one paying the bill.

And the median annual single income would put most people around $15/hr. So your $500 insulin will end up costing someone over 30 hours of their time, working to pay for it. That's over 30 hours stolen from someone else life.

No that's not how it will work since the government can negotiate prices much more effectively as it's the largest buyer. If a company is deemed to being exploitive, the government can take punitive measures or just allow generics and oversea brands into America and put that company out of business.

Trust me, drugs are much cheaper in Europe than America. We live longer, healthier lives. We have more vacation time. I lived in the USA, I still have property there, but Europe is just better for life-work balance.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by NomadicDrifter

No that's not how it will work since the government can negotiate prices much more effectively as it's the largest buyer. If a company is deemed to being exploitive, the government can take punitive measures or just allow generics and oversea brands into America and put that company out of business.

Trust me, drugs are much cheaper in Europe than America. We live longer, healthier lives. We have more vacation time. I lived in the USA, I still have property there, but Europe is just better for life-work balance.

You're forgetting that American workers' unions need their investments to earn enough profits to meet the unions' unrealistic promises. See: CalPERS, etc.