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Old 08-24-2018, 05:36 AM
 
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The story here isn't that the man was an illegal immigrant. The story is that he murdered a young woman and just happened to be an illegal immigrant.

The story might as well be "Young man utilizes car to chase down woman and murder her. Government considers ban on cars."

What does this man being an immigrant have to do with it anyway?
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:40 AM
 
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E-verify misses 54% of illegal workers. Now what?
If that number is correct then you really have no good options.
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:52 AM
 
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If that number is correct then you really have no good options.
The number is correct. E-verify won't work unless every US citizen and LPR submits a unique biometric identifier such as fingerprints, retinal scan, etc. Employers aren't the problem. They do what they can. E-verify misses 54% of unauthorized workers. And our insufficient border control and ICE deporting WAY too few illegal aliens is the problem. But Dems scream to "Abolish ICE!" Might as well give illegal alien murderers like Rivera a red carpet welcome into the USA to steal more jobs and kill more Americans.
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Old 08-24-2018, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The story here isn't that the man was an illegal immigrant. The story is that he murdered a young woman and just happened to be an illegal immigrant.

The story might as well be "Young man utilizes car to chase down woman and murder her. Government considers ban on cars."

What does this man being an immigrant have to do with it anyway?
This is a why Michael Savage, for decades, has said that Liberalism is a mental disorder.


If the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT wasn't in the country, wasn't coddled by the system (both republicans and democrats), and hadn't DECIEVED his employer --- Mollie Tibbitts would be alive.
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Old 08-24-2018, 06:10 AM
 
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This is a why Michael Savage, for decades, has said that Liberalism is a mental disorder.

If the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT wasn't in the country, wasn't coddled by the system (both republicans and democrats), and hadn't DECIEVED his employer --- Mollie Tibbitts would be alive.
Exactly. And we now know that e-verify catches only 46% of illegal workers. Why such a huge failure rate? Because e-verify does not have a unique biometric identifier such as fingerprints, retinal scan, etc., from every US citizen, LPR, and authorized temporary non-citizen worker.
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Old 08-24-2018, 06:16 AM
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Farm that hired Cristhian Rivera, Mollie Tibbetts' suspected killer, did not use E-Verify system, official says | Fox News

It's pretty clear they knew they were hiring an illegal when he showed up in person. You can't have it both ways...you can't blame Liberals for supporting illegals, yet scoff when a Republican ignores the law and the manta of the Right.



It's hypocritical just like it is to be against anybody supporting illegals except when that person is a Republican.
Okay, the latest on this Rivera is that he's been in this country for at least four years. He dated and made a baby with one of Molly's high school classmates. They were friends. She was a cheerleader and Molly was on the track team. And it sounds like this cheerleader girl also helped him get a job at that farm. He was known to be a hard worker.

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Rivera got the job using a fake identity and was connected with the company by a former girlfriend.

According to a report by YourTango, Rivera’s former girlfriend, Iris Monarrez, was also friends with Tibbetts on Facebook, and they attended the same high school.

Monarrez and Rivera dated from 2013 to 2015 and had a baby together, according to Facebook posts and pictures.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/facts-...s_2631473.html
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Old 08-24-2018, 06:33 AM
 
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If the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT wasn't in the country, wasn't coddled by the system (both republicans and democrats), and hadn't DECIEVED his employer --- Mollie Tibbitts would be alive.
Sigh...

Yes, and if cars weren't in this country, he couldn't have driven up to her while she was jogging and murdered her.

And if guns weren't in this country, Adam Lanza wouldn't have shot dead 20 first graders.

By the natural extension of your own logic, tell me, who has the mental disorder here?

There was nothing about this man BEING an illegal immigrant that has ANYTHING to do with this case. Here's an example where what someone IS might have a bearing on the crime committed:

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Man with antisemitism views kills Jewish man
In that case, a man who does not like Jewish people, killed a Jewish person. But in the case we are talking about, there is nothing to say that illegal immigrants hate women? Is there? The only possible cause/effect you can draw is that "If the man wasn't in this country illegal, then this wouldn't have happened." I'd totally agree with that. In the same way that if guns weren't in this country, Adam Lanza could not shoot up first-graders.

In both cases, it is a terrible tragedy. But if your solution is to remove the possibility of the crime happening, then remove illegal immigrants and remove guns. Sounds silly right? Good.
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Old 08-24-2018, 06:48 AM
 
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Sigh...

Yes, and if cars weren't in this country, he couldn't have driven up to her while she was jogging and murdered her.

And if guns weren't in this country, Adam Lanza wouldn't have shot dead 20 first graders.

By the natural extension of your own logic, tell me, who has the mental disorder here?

There was nothing about this man BEING an illegal immigrant that has ANYTHING to do with this case. Here's an example where what someone IS might have a bearing on the crime committed:


In that case, a man who does not like Jewish people, killed a Jewish person. But in the case we are talking about, there is nothing to say that illegal immigrants hate women? Is there? The only possible cause/effect you can draw is that "If the man wasn't in this country illegal, then this wouldn't have happened." I'd totally agree with that. In the same way that if guns weren't in this country, Adam Lanza could not shoot up first-graders.

In both cases, it is a terrible tragedy. But if your solution is to remove the possibility of the crime happening, then remove illegal immigrants and remove guns. Sounds silly right? Good.
Complete and total RUBBISH
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Old 08-24-2018, 06:48 AM
 
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The number is correct. E-verify won't work unless every US citizen and LPR submits a unique biometric identifier such as fingerprints, retinal scan, etc. Employers aren't the problem. They do what they can. E-verify misses 54% of unauthorized workers. And our insufficient border control and ICE deporting WAY too few illegal aliens is the problem. But Dems scream to "Abolish ICE!" Might as well give illegal alien murderers like Rivera a red carpet welcome into the USA to steal more jobs and kill more Americans.
I don’t ever see that we will have enough resources to ever be effective. That is just the extreme left wanting to get rid of ICE they aren’t going anywhere.
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Old 08-24-2018, 07:02 AM
 
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If law abiding Americans need a valid ID and background check to purchase a firearm Immigrants should have at LEAST the same scrutiny to enter this country.

If law abiding Americans are subject to drug/alcohol tests to WORK, Welfare recipients should be required to as well.
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