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Old 08-24-2018, 05:38 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Sadly, your understanding of Capitalism is flawed.
No, the countries is. I ask this over and over and all I get is "well, I don't support that". No where in capitalism do we find the government bailing out failed businesses.

You preach "Capitalism" but we do NOT practice Capitalism in this country.
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:49 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/st...69466052538368


Just think, Bezos makes many times more than the average worker yet does not produce as much as they do. He should be paid less by the rules of input/output but because he controls the distribution of cash he makes the most.

Corporate CEOs generally lack basic trade skills that are needed to keep a society functioning and moral in nature, instead they are skilled at winning state subsidies, cutting financial costs that don't directly benefit their bottom line, and outsourcing production AND marketing. This is why when Obama or Trump selects one of them to help the US economy, they fail, because they have no real skills.

These concepts are basic yet everyone criticizes Bernie on this one tweet, why?
What is the decision space of the "average" worker versus that of Bezos?
How big of an impact is the average workers decisions on the entire corporation?
What are the hours Bezos works compared to the average worker?

B era ie wouldn't know anything about running a successful business, after all he was a welfare guy who had his power shut off a few times, before being elected to public office. In other words he was a financial failure and I am being polite. A better term would be a complete loser.

Bernie has achieved relatively little in all his years as a public servant, winning that election did get him off the public teat. Well it moved him to a different one anyway.
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:49 AM
 
Location: NC
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Don't like Bezos? Don't buy from his company.

Problem solved. Wasn't that easy?
I don't have a problem, or even really know much about Bezos, other than his role at Amazon, and I use their service all the time. I'm a happy Prime subscriber.

That being said, your comment is missing a point. The point is that someone like Bezos (or Walmart, or many others) has power to make it "not that simple". They have been given such control over aspects of our economy, that it's not simple to avoid buying from Amazon and Walmart, and even if you do, it means your choices are very limited, and you will pay a higher price, and be at a disadvantage. That's a choice we all have to make, and I'm mostly OK with it. But to call it simple is either ignorant of facts, or just misguided.

These people have the influence to make small business owners, the poster children of the American Dream, be forced out of businesses they run to support their place in the American Dream, only to be hired back at low wages, with few choices. It is not because they did something wrong, it's because a company like that used their economic power to put them there, for their own benefit.

I'm no Socialist, so I don't want our government controlling the daily commerce of our country, or the jobs and wages people have, but the system is far from perfect. In my view, people like Bezos SHOULD be sharing their wealth more with all the people that were part of making it possible. They are not legally obligated to do so, but many feel they are morally obligated to do so. And equally important, it would probably be a better outcome for our economy, and our country for more people to have access to the American Dream. Bezos et all would not suffer, and MORE people would benefit. Or at least a lot of people have good reason to believe that.
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:56 AM
 
Location: NC
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Again-why don't you start an employee owned business? You and a few like minded friends could get together and pool your resources. Start small, build it into something bigger, evolve into the next Amazon. Show us all how it can be done. Bezos had to do it all alone and actually hire employees. If you just make them owners and don't have to pay them it'll be MUCH easier.
New Belgium Brewery, maker of Fat Tire and other beers, is one of many examples. Not on the scale of Amazon, but certainly a success. I'm not advocating for Socialism, but I am responding to your inference that it can't be done.
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Old 08-24-2018, 06:23 AM
 
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That's great but it is NOT reality. Ideas that are never going to happen are not valid responses. Much of his wealth is from forces that negatively affect those on the bottom.
I didnt see anywhere in the C-D terms of service where Im supposed to run my responses by you for validation.
Is your reality any more realistic? Everytime time you vote we get more of the same or worse.
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Old 08-24-2018, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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Government bailouts do not equate to socialism.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
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Old 08-24-2018, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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What does Bernie produce?
Answer: like everyone else in govt, nothing
That is like claiming Al Taubman didn't produce.

Never hear of him.

Think malls.

Taubman built physical malls and became wealthy.
Bezos built a massive online mall.

A mall that employs hundreds of thousands of workers who have jobs because their firms have business generated by shoppers in his mall.
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Old 08-24-2018, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Winterfall8324 View Post
Just think, Bezos makes many times more than the average worker yet does not produce as much as they do. He should be paid less by the rules of input/output but because he controls the distribution of cash he makes the most.

Corporate CEOs generally lack basic trade skills that are needed to keep a society functioning and moral in nature, instead they are skilled at winning state subsidies, cutting financial costs that don't directly benefit their bottom line, and outsourcing production AND marketing. This is why when Obama or Trump selects one of them to help the US economy, they fail, because they have no real skills.

These concepts are basic yet everyone criticizes Bernie on this one tweet, why?
Who is the "everyone" who criticized Bernie about his comment on Bezos?
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Old 08-24-2018, 07:07 AM
 
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That is like claiming Al Taubman didn't produce.

Never hear of him.

Think malls.

Taubman built physical malls and became wealthy.
Bezos built a massive online mall.

A mall that employs hundreds of thousands of workers who have jobs because their firms have business generated by shoppers in his mall.
So what does Bernie produce? Now before you answer, remember that bernie cant give anyone anything without stealing it from someone else first. Is that how Al Taubman operates?
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Old 08-24-2018, 07:09 AM
 
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It's correct that those making the most money with Amazon are those who never create a single thing. Never fill a single box. Never take a single order. Never even set foot on the property.
You want them to be paid the same as those who design the business model, engineers who develop the fulfillment process and facilities, those who design the website and software? Seems reasonable. People are paid at the price that their labor and efforts contribute to the business.
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