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Old 09-13-2018, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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I found one of those guys that Winterfall says is stealing from Native Americans...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...tic-off-to-pr/

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Top 'Chief Wahoo' critic off to prison for stealing $77K from Native Americans
Irony is alive and well in Cleveland after the top “Chief Wahoo” critic was sentenced to four months in prison for stealing funds meant for Native Americans.

Robert Roche, 71, was sentenced this week in federal court for the thievery of $77,000 in grants for Native American causes. He must pay back the money as restitution, in addition to time served and four months of home confinement, The Associated Press reported Wednesday.

Mr. Roche issued a guilty plea in May on two counts of theft regarding money he conspired to divert from American Indian Education Center (AIEC) in suburban Parma.

“This defendant stole from taxpayers and betrayed the Native American families he purported to help,” U.S. Attorney Justin E. Herdman said on May 17. “He took tens of thousands of dollars designated for mental health and wellness programs and put the money in his own pockets.”

The Chief Wahoo logo will not appear on Major League Baseball uniforms during the 2019 season due to the controversy.
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Old 09-13-2018, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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No, there is no “surplus”. There is private property that is earned and owned. Those who have more than they need do not owe that surplus to those that don’t have it. That is a fallacy.
There is a surplus and it could feed the world so much for the efficiency of the market. Unlike you I think humans should order our society better than what squirrels do.
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Old 09-13-2018, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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1. Without cash and private property, no group would have incentive to distribute drugs, they don’t get any money and money can do practically nothing since capital is controlled by function, not monetary value. In other words it’s a cashless society.
You're quite wrong, as usual.

Tide "pods" for laundry detergent are used as cash-equivalent in the drug trade. So are cars and many other items, and also sex.

Without cash, drugs would be traded for items of value, which is how commerce was conducted in cashless societies, since time immemorial.

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Read, you will become very enlightened. The nature of capitalism is authoritarian.
The nature of Capitalism is authoritative, not Authoritarian. Feudalism, Mercantilism, Socialism and Communism are Authoritarian.


Why don't you examine the Soviet Union's treatment of its aboriginal tribal groups that live in the Asian part of the Soviet Union and tell us how wonderful their lives weren't under Socialism.


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America doesn’t have real capitalism, if we did, you’d be in horror. And watch the clip I posted, the idea capitalism is making the world a better place is false propaganda. The only reason we’re not dead is government regulations on how far a corporation can go.
97% of US businesses are not corporations.

If Capitalism was actually what your misguided beliefs thought it was, then more than 51% of US businesses would be corporations, but they aren't.

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Socialism is freedom. Capitalism is corporate control.
That's demonstrably false, since corporations existed before Capitalism, and Capitalism neither requires corporations to exist nor requires corporations in order to be successful.

Corporations exist at the whims of the State, and since US States grant corporations, and since you are the State, you decide how the State grants corporate charters.

If there is a failure in the system, it is you and only you, not corporations and not the State.

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Capitalism is the ONLY moral economic system ever to exist. It is based on freedom, trade, and cooperation. It rewards the good and punishes the useless. If one lives their working life to bring value and add value, they love Capitalism. If you are a shiftless do-nothing mediocrity, you are going to hate Capitalism because it exposes your uselessness and lack of value.

A most excellent point.
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Old 09-13-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You're quite wrong, as usual.

Tide "pods" for laundry detergent are used as cash-equivalent in the drug trade. So are cars and many other items, and also sex.

Without cash, drugs would be traded for items of value, which is how commerce was conducted in cashless societies, since time immemorial.



The nature of Capitalism is authoritative, not Authoritarian. Feudalism, Mercantilism, Socialism and Communism are Authoritarian.


Why don't you examine the Soviet Union's treatment of its aboriginal tribal groups that live in the Asian part of the Soviet Union and tell us how wonderful their lives weren't under Socialism.




97% of US businesses are not corporations.

If Capitalism was actually what your misguided beliefs thought it was, then more than 51% of US businesses would be corporations, but they aren't.



That's demonstrably false, since corporations existed before Capitalism, and Capitalism neither requires corporations to exist nor requires corporations in order to be successful.

Corporations exist at the whims of the State, and since US States grant corporations, and since you are the State, you decide how the State grants corporate charters.

If there is a failure in the system, it is you and only you, not corporations and not the State.




A most excellent point.
Lots of lies in this post, as usual.

1. Private property ownership is the value that is achieved with currency. Take away monetary value and private ownership, and the only value anything would have is the personal function it allows

2. Capitalism requires force to keep private owners in charge of capital they don’t control. That is authoritarian

3. The USSR wasn’t socialist, socialism is when workers control the means of production

4. Corporations exist in the same logic big business exists, I use the two interchangeable

5. The state and the corporation share power, they do not compete for it, big business is legitimized and protected by the state. They are one in the same.

6. Everything else is false.
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Old 09-13-2018, 05:54 PM
 
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Violence and crime aren't inherently linked - a person can sell weed for years, without any violence, while another can get a medal pinned on their chest, for killing many.

I think humans behaviour has too many contradictory facets, for human nature to have any real meaning.

That was my point. I probably did not phrase it properly.
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Old 09-13-2018, 06:05 PM
 
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Really? Well Colorado shoots that argument right in the butt. Pot is legal there and yet the drug cartels and other black market dealers are still doing very well in the pot business...

Why would the cartel being doing very well with Marijuana legal in Colorado? That makes no sense and is the opposite of what is being reported. Have you been getting your info from Jeff Sessions on twitter?


From what I have read Marijuana busts coming from Mexico are down 70%. The cartels are hurting. Legalize it in all states and that number will hit zero. Believe me the biggest advocates for keeping Marijuana illegal on a federal level is the drug cartel.

https://coloradocannabistours.com/ma...-drug-cartels/

And crime is down in states where marijuana has been decriminalized.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8160311.html

If we legalize all drugs, bring the users out of the shadows and get them help without fear of being locked up we could lower drug use and stop incarcerating people just for having an addiction.
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Old 09-13-2018, 07:20 PM
 
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We also have to remember this: Native American Tribe B stole the land from Native American Tribe A and committed many of the same type of atrocities that the White man did to Native Americans.
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Old 09-13-2018, 07:40 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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https://www.voanews.com/a/native-ame...y/4561888.html

We committed worse acts to the natives than the holocaust, and we continue to commit atrocities to this day. We only stopped experimenting on native school children in the 90s, and we still keep them in excessive poverty. Now we want to destroy what is left.


Every American president should face an international tribunal for these acts and be sentenced to death.
Screw it. We gave the savages land, medical assistance, monetary aid, education and casinos. At least a thank you is in order.
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Old 09-14-2018, 07:28 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Why would the cartel being doing very well with Marijuana legal in Colorado? That makes no sense and is the opposite of what is being reported. Have you been getting your info from Jeff Sessions on twitter?


From what I have read Marijuana busts coming from Mexico are down 70%. The cartels are hurting. Legalize it in all states and that number will hit zero. Believe me the biggest advocates for keeping Marijuana illegal on a federal level is the drug cartel.

https://coloradocannabistours.com/ma...-drug-cartels/

And crime is down in states where marijuana has been decriminalized.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8160311.html

If we legalize all drugs, bring the users out of the shadows and get them help without fear of being locked up we could lower drug use and stop incarcerating people just for having an addiction.
You don't read enough. TAXES are why the illegal pot trade is still doing well in every state that's gone legal. <bold>
Now you and the other "legalize all drugs to stop drug trade" might have a leg to stand on IF you removed the government PROFIT center from the addiction of it's citizens but that will NEVER happen. Remember, it's for the chilllllldren...
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Old 09-14-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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https://www.voanews.com/a/native-ame...y/4561888.html

We committed worse acts to the natives than the holocaust, and we continue to commit atrocities to this day. We only stopped experimenting on native school children in the 90s, and we still keep them in excessive poverty. Now we want to destroy what is left.


Every American president should face an international tribunal for these acts and be sentenced to death.
I nominate YOU as Proxy!
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