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Old 11-09-2018, 11:43 AM
 
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They get them by stealing them from "free" states and illegally selling them. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/1498314002/

They have family, friends and even associates with clean records buy the guns and carry them back. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...b05-story.html

While not covered in those articles, one of the Cleveland, MS pawn shop owners cooperated with the BATFE and a few of the straw buyers were arrested and prosecuted. A few weeks later he was brutally murdered while at work. No one has ever been charged in his death.

Exactly!

Many of the guns found in blue liberal cities originated from gun-nut red areas.

Thanks for proving my point.

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Old 11-09-2018, 12:00 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Mental health is a red herring.

Less than 10% of violent criminals have a mental health problem (by both legal and psychiatric criteria). Mass shooters are an even smaller percentage.
Really???

I'd say that 100% of mass shooters have a mental health problem.
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Old 11-09-2018, 12:18 PM
 
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alright then, what other rights do you want to take away from others then? and before you answer, remember that what can happen to others, can also happen to you as well.


you think you are qualified to vote, but someone else might think otherwise, and if they have the power, you lose your right to vote.



this is why we must fight for EVERYONES rights. if we dont we lose them.
Voting is a franchise, not a right. You have to be qualified to vote.

I will never carry a banner for the stupid, the illiterate, or the foreign-born to vote in American elections.
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Old 11-09-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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Mental health is a red herring.

Less than 10% of violent criminals have a mental health problem (by both legal and psychiatric criteria). Mass shooters are an even smaller percentage.
No way! Its more than HALF actually.
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:08 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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They may own firearms, but highly unlikely they open up gun shops and sell guns.

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Most firearms are sold face to face by regular citizens not gun shops. Even in CA we only have to use an FFL which they have no choice in doing it or not so you can blame your govt for that. https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs#14
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:13 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Exactly!

Many of the guns found in blue liberal cities originated from gun-nut red areas.

Thanks for proving my point.

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Over 80,000 attempts from a felon trying to purchase a weapon in mostly urban areas and we prosecute an average of 4 annually. Who's fault is that? This hasn't changed in 20 years. Felon walks into a gun store fails bgc and goes to next store buys the parts and makes his own.

That's easy to do when there are so many in Los Angeles. Are there that many rednecks in LA?

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...,lf:1,lf_ui:10
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Upper Bucks County, PA.
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Maybe you should let the CDC know that their numbers are off.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s...ty/firearm.htm

Not "off" just not specific.

The FBI numbers (if you were to click on a specific state) list criminal acts and break out murder for cities (and there are lots of 0's, even for cities with populations >100K).

The CDC numbers give us a gun death rate that includes suicides which lead to some wrong conclusions if one is citing them to discuss public policy on crime.

Rural areas of states (and mostly rural states) have higher rates of suicide and states with large urban areas have higher rates of homicide. Low population states with high rates of suicide can put up some very high numbers in "firearm death rates" like shown in the CDC page you linked; Alaska for example has a "firearm death rate" of 23.3, doubling Illinois at 11.7.

Separate out the manner of death shows a true disparity (as far as crime is concerned).

Let's break them out using CDC fatal report web tool https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate.html for State data.

In 2016 Alaska had a population of 741,894. There were 45 firearm murders for a gun murder rate of 6.07/100K. There were 113 gun suicides for a gun suicide rate of 15.23/100K. The CDC page you link to tells us the combined "firearm death rate" -- which also includes murder, suicide, legal intervention (police shootings), accidental deaths and undetermined, was 23.3/100K).

In 2016 Illinois had a population of 12,801,539. There were 944 firearm murders for a gun murder rate of 7.37/100K. There were 506 gun suicides for a gun suicide rate of 3.95/100K. The CDC page you link to tells us the combined "firearm death rate" -- which also includes murder, suicide, legal intervention (police shootings), accidental deaths and undetermined, was 11.7/100K).

So, from a public safety --chance of being murdered with a gun-- standpoint, which state is safer, the apparent Utopia of Illinois' 11.7 "gun death rate" or the 'keep your head down' Alaska "gun death rate" of 23.3?


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Old 11-09-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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Perhaps more in-depth screening and longer wait times might help. Maybe there should be a restriction on the size of the magazines. I'm not a gun person so I may be way off base. Just putting together some thoughts from past shooting information I have seen.
The magazine he used was illegal to posses in California.
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:35 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Maybe you should let the CDC know that their numbers are off.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s...ty/firearm.htm
They're way off. That's combined, get to the specifics. Murder/homicide is separate from suicides, negligence/accidental deaths.

Which was what I had posted.
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Old 11-09-2018, 02:01 PM
 
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The magazine he used was illegal to posses in California.
But it came with that pistol from the factory. And if he would have used one legal in California, he would have had to change magazines 3 times instead of 2. Not much difference.
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