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Oh, the spin of a crisis. There needs to be modern technology along with immigration reform on the border. It's entertaining when Individual 1 supporters won't even mention or acknowledge the fact that he lies to his base and they buy the con. It makes some look like fools that want to be conned. Instead of deflecting and spinning to the other party try holding a dishonest con to his platform word. That's what some Americans require at least half the time. We understand that politicians lie but Individual 1 is on another level. He scams, cons, lies and expects HIS results. That's your business if you fall for it and don't hold him accountable but that doesn't mean ALL Americans must accept it. We aren't all gullible. Most Americans don't want the wall anyway.
Just what percentage of all illegal immigrants do you put in the felony conviction category that has you the most fearful? If you want to talk about absolute numbers (and yes of course they matter), what are they really, and how do you determine them to warrant a $5 billion dollar wall? How do you quantify that let alone what the wall will do in terms of absolute numbers after the wall were built. Factor in all the other pro/con issues surrounding illegal immigration, including our relations with Mexico and all Hispanic Americans and so begins the debate in earnest. That's lots of Americans who don't think in terms of criminals when it comes to their family members in general.
Those were some topics that could take a book to cover. While criminal illegal aliens obviously concern me the most, I am concerned about them all and want them all blocked. The non-criminal ones are more of an economic concern but as you'll see below, also contain an "unknown factor" concern.
We tend to view crime within the context of our own societal experience. We assume that if you are a persistent offender you will at some point get caught and be in the system. You might get away with it once or twice but eventually the odds will catch up. We are used to reporting the crime when we are a victim, expecting police agencies to take tat crime report seriously, investigate, serve the warrants issued if they can, and then prosecuted to the extent possible.
Not so in Mexico or Central America. Actually, I don't know much about CA but have looked into Mexico many times in the past and, given the relative social and economy stability between the two, my bet is CA is even worse. Consider that "figures suggest as many as 93.7 percent of all crimes go unreported or uninvestigated across Mexico." (https://www.dw.com/en/unsolved-crime...ent/a-35919079). From commission of crime to conviction, "probability of a crime being reported, investigated and solved in Mexico is just 1.14%" (https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/jus...nviction-rate/). And that number is UP from the previous number of 1.09%.
So yeah, if we look at felony convictions of illegals apprehended, the numbers may appear to be low because most criminals down there don't ever get arrested much less convicted. That in itself makes illegal entries a risky proposition regardless of what a simple background check of databases turns up. We need to stop talking about illegal alien criminals with "felony convictions" because we are dealing with a wholly different kind of society. You'd have to do a deep background check and talk to local police chiefs and neighbors to get opinions on if a person was associated with criminal activity, and obviously we do not and can not do that on a widespread basis. My bet is this too means we can take whatever number of apprehensions are "criminals" as determined by criminal convictions and multiply by at least 50.
Also, as if the above isn't bad enough, the fact is the vast majority of crime there goes unreported. The people do not have confidence or trust (often the cops are the perps) that reporting it will do any good. Obviously, murder will be reported but it's even harder to report rape there than here. Theft and assault without serious injury is almost never reported.
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Why is it our job to protect private property from trespassers of any kind?
When private property abuts against a country's border, it is the responsibility of said country to protect its border. And you know it, too.
Apparently, you can't imagine a scenario where a group crosses the border and on to private property with the intention to cause harm. If they caused harm to one of your loved ones, you would, sadly, finally understand.
Countries all over the world are building walls. Are all of them immoral? Is the entire world immoral? Are Pelosi and the Dems the only people in the world who don't care about controlling their borders?
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Separately, USA Today reported that since Europe's migrant crisis erupted in 2015, 'at least 800 miles of fences have been erected by Austria, Bulgaria, Greece, Hungary, Macedonia, Slovenia and others.'
I'm waiting for Trump to offer all not getting paychecks, McDonalds coupons so they can at least eat. Sounds like something he would do. He seems to love the joint.
You may assume that but you don't know that. CBP has not said they would rather have $5B on other things than the wall. Why do people insist on the minute details of a wall yet never ask for them on "border security" not a wall? Dems are ok with $1.6B for "border security". What is that for? How much of it is for agents? How many agents? What kind of agents? How much of it is for vehicles? How many vehicles? What kind of vehicles? How much of it is for sensors and cameras and drones? How many? What kind? They don't know and they don't care. The honest truth is that Trump could whip out a construction bid set showing every precise detail and Congressional Dems would not be one iota more in favor of the wall.
Do the employees of the CBP get paid during this government shutdown? If not, there is a high probability the CBP is not being objective on this matter.
They seem to be attempting ridicule because funds were not collected needed to fund the entire wall.
The Wall will be built, mile by mile.
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We have a team of our nation's leading experts in Construction, National Security, Law, Finance and Politics. Our experts have researched and concluded that we can build the wall mile by mile for 50% of the current price that the US Government pays. We will utilize private property along the border in high trafficked areas to build our wall sections. We have landowners right now, lining up to have us build on their land because they are SICK of being threatened by cartels, sick of the crime, and sick of our government's inability to act. Your donations will fund this, and save lives with every mile we build. This is 100% LEGAL, its on private property and the landowners we are speaking to want the wall.
It is pretty much as common sense would have it. Landowners are begging for The Wall to be built. It has been reported for years that landowners have been harassed and invaded, but now suddenly we are supposed to believe that these landowners don't want The Wall.
Do the employees of the CBP get paid during this government shutdown? If not, there is a high probability the CBP is not being objective on this matter.
They were asked this question in the past well before the shutdown. They wanted walls then. For what reason would they change their minds?
Countries all over the world are building walls. Are all of them immoral? Is the entire world immoral? Are Pelosi and the Dems the only people in the world who don't care about controlling their borders?
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Separately, USA Today reported that since Europe's migrant crisis erupted in 2015, 'at least 800 miles of fences have been erected by Austria, Bulgaria, Greece, Hungary, Macedonia, Slovenia and others.'
Bolded says FENCES not walls. Get it right. I am sure if Trump had campaigned on fences, we wouldn't be in this situation right now. The Senate had already approved $1.3 billion for border security so stop lying about Dems not wanting border security.
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Walls around the world
