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They want us to forget the con they fell for which is Mexico is paying for the wall and there is an emergency at the border. Their shame is a deflection of embarrassment. They want us to join their pity party.
Trump shouldn't have played the empathy card the other night. It does not suit his style. Where's his sympathy for the ranchers and those living in small towns on the border who will be disrupted. These are American lives, many of them - if that makes a difference to some.
Plus, as usual he's so far off base. It's hard to tell whether the man does not know or does not care or both.
Fact - Walls built in urban areas tend to push illegals into the deserts where some perish.
Fact - Trump administration policies that asylum-seekers now wait in Mexico for years-long Court appointments leaves them in peril in gang-infested areas far from homes.
The above policies are supportable IMHO but there's no need to dishonestly sugarcoat their impact on women and children - both of which are profoundly negative.
The best way to protect Central Americans is to encourage them to stay home to begin with. That depends, in part, on US immigration policy that about everyone agrees need reforming - one way or the other. No argument that was ever going to easy for there are profound differences between the parties. But it sure looks like Trump is making it harder. There was no need to turn border security into this kind of explosive issue.
The fight should have been saved for the factors that draw illegal immigrants.
The image of a solid protective wall was an optic that played. Trump sold it without once - supposedly - having gone himself to the border areas to take a look for himself. That is, before he became President.
41 Senators who are holding out for border wall funding, and those who have not made clear where they stand. Are they fearful of Individual 1? 4 Reopen without funding, 2 temporarily reopen and 6 deal protecting undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children. It looks like Individual 1 doesn't have the hardcore support he thought he would have with his party.
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At least three senators, Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), Susan Collins (Maine) and Cory Gardner (Colo.), have called on Trump to reopen the shuttered federal agencies without the $5.7 billion in funding he wants for his border wall. Collins and Gardner are both up for reelection in 2020 in purplish-blue states.
Sen. Ron Johnson (Wis.) floated an idea to pay essential employees who are working during the shutdown, which would keep many agencies mostly closed while talks continue.
Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), one of Trump’s closest allies in Congress, pushed an idea to reopen the government for three weeks and use that time to debate and vote on border security legislation, but Trump shot it down.
Despite the increasing desire to end this shutdown, few Senate Republicans have actually suggested a way out of this one. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has refused to bring up a bill to reopen the government without assurances from the White House that Trump would sign it.
Great article by a senior White House official about why this shutdown is a good thing:
80 percent feel no pressure to produce results. If they don’t feel like doing what they are told, they don’t... We can’t fire them...employees held liable for poor performance respond with threats, lawsuits, complaints ... taking years of mounting paperwork with no fear of accountability, extending their careers, while no real work is done...I typically spend about 15 percent of my time on the president’s agenda and 85 percent of my time trying to stop sabotage, and we have no power to get rid of them. Until the shutdown.
Due to the lack of funding, many federal agencies are now operating more effectively from the top down on a fraction of their workforce, with only select essential personnel serving national security tasks... We do not want most employees to return, because we are working better without them.
Great article by a senior White House official about why this shutdown is a good thing:
80 percent feel no pressure to produce results. If they don’t feel like doing what they are told, they don’t... We can’t fire them...employees held liable for poor performance respond with threats, lawsuits, complaints ... taking years of mounting paperwork with no fear of accountability, extending their careers, while no real work is done...I typically spend about 15 percent of my time on the president’s agenda and 85 percent of my time trying to stop sabotage, and we have no power to get rid of them. Until the shutdown.
Due to the lack of funding, many federal agencies are now operating more effectively from the top down on a fraction of their workforce, with only select essential personnel serving national security tasks... We do not want most employees to return, because we are working better without them.
They want us to forget the con they fell for which is Mexico is paying for the wall and there is an emergency at the border. Their shame is a deflection of embarrassment. They want us to join their pity party.
It’s amazing to watch Trump supporters back track just as quickly as Trump did. Saying things like “ of we all knew that Trump didn’t mean what he said, about Mexico paying for the wall. It’s just unreal.
Great article by a senior White House official about why this shutdown is a good thing:
80 percent feel no pressure to produce results. If they don’t feel like doing what they are told, they don’t... We can’t fire them...employees held liable for poor performance respond with threats, lawsuits, complaints ... taking years of mounting paperwork with no fear of accountability, extending their careers, while no real work is done...I typically spend about 15 percent of my time on the president’s agenda and 85 percent of my time trying to stop sabotage, and we have no power to get rid of them. Until the shutdown.
Due to the lack of funding, many federal agencies are now operating more effectively from the top down on a fraction of their workforce, with only select essential personnel serving national security tasks... We do not want most employees to return, because we are working better without them.
Being that this is a senior Trump official you have take what they say with a grain of salt. This shutdown is causing chaos in many offices and you're a fool if you believe otherwise.
And Trump has so much empathy for those that make it, he yanks them from their mothers arms, separating them, and then letting a non-profit figure out how to sort it out.
I wouldn’t give this creature an inch. He owns it. He said so.
But hey- he said Mexico would pay for the wall!!!
Obama separated children from their parents but that was okay with you. But hey---we all know you hate Trump so everything Trump does is bad, according to you. It's different when Obama did the exact same thing.
Being that this is a senior Trump official you have take what they say with a grain of salt. This shutdown is causing chaos in many offices and you're a fool if you believe otherwise.
You have the link for that? CNN has interviewed workers who live paycheck to paycheck but is the job they hold in chaos or is government still running----no one dying in the streets?
Obama separated children from their parents but that was okay with you. But hey---we all know you hate Trump so everything Trump does is bad, according to you. It's different when Obama did the exact same thing.
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