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So conservatives... is it a comprehension problem with you? Do you not understand some of the words? Or are you just dishonest?
Or are you basically saying Trump's word is garbage?..
You can spin lies, but the truth is that Donald proudly took ownership of the shutdown on December 11, 2018, and it's there for every reasonable person of sound mind to reference until the end of time. Donald is the one who took 800K workers and their families hostage to try to get his demands.
Trump could use to go back to remedial public speaking class. He's not very good at getting his point across even when it's painfully obvious what his intent was.
To sum up: "I believe that border security is a big problem. This has gone on long enough. I only won the election to the Presidency because I was the only guy taking the issue seriously. The problem needs to be solved. Nobody on the Democratic side will work with me to solve it. This is the hill I'm willing to die on. I will not sign any funding proposal that does not fund building the border barrier."
Now whether you agree with him or not is the open and interesting discussion. A border barrier by itself would certainly help. Despite massive costs to build the things, walls have been hugely effective for all of human history. It's just not a complete solution to the problem. You need a lot more border patrol and a lot more technology on the borders. You probably need to increase the number of legal immigrants coming in as well. All of that's interesting to discuss. Instead we're locked into a game of high stakes chicken where one side demands that they get their way and the other side offers nothing.
The reality is, Trump can't back down. He's locked in at this point. If he blinks first, his core supporters will want nothing to do with him anymore and he'll lose in 2020. He's declared this important enough to shut the government down over and he's going to have to ride this one out no matter how long it takes. So the ball is really 100% in the Democrats' court. They know exactly what they have to do to re-open the government. They're in a prime position to make demands and negotiate. They could ask for a lot of things and most likely get them in exchange for funding the wall/barrier/fence/thing. They've refused. They're saying, "Just do it our way right now and then we can talk about it." while pronouncing to the press in no uncertain terms that they won't give a dime to Trump's wall. So Trump knows if he gives in, he gets nothing. Therefore he can't give in. So he won't. The government will remain shut own. It makes no odds who gets blamed for the shutdown. Every shutdown that's ever happened was because the two parties have lost their ability to negotiate and communicate. That's just where we're at.
The same can be said about Donald Trump's speech too. Just that he is fAR more uncategorically wrong and lied during his speech. You just picked up dogwhistles either that were there or you want to think was there. Meanwhile anyone with half a brain knows Trump lied because his own DHS secretary said that terrorists are stopped in airports and DEA said that drugs come through at ports of entry and not run through a tunnel or over a fence.
Please tell me , when in your lifetime have you witnessed hundreds-thousands of people storming our borders?? I know I have never seen it.
Kristen Nielson said that they captured 6 terrorists at the border just yesterday.
90% of the drugs come through the southern border. The border is huge and how many drugs do you actually know get in between ports??
The border is a crisis. Socialism in South America is displacing people. The invasion is here, and we need to repeal it. Sorry but you can keep your blinders on. I am going to support our border to be protected by whatever means necessary.
Why is this so hard to understand. Trump only wants a physical wall. Democrats want boarder security measures (more officers and equipment). Trump will only accept a wall and democrats will accept anything but a wall. Please stop trying to spin things. The idiot Trump will lose this argument because he demanded a meeting with Pelosi and Schumur be public. He then proudly stated that he will own the shutdown. He then double down when he stated he will keep it shut down for months or years. As my dad use to say he wrote a check his XXX can't cash. The party who gets the blame for the shut down are always the one who loses the argument. Trump claimed this was all him so he owns it. He is flopping like a fish on land because he throwing out all kind of crap hoping to see what sticks. These Trumpster's are tying themselves up in knots trying to defend this doofus. The only way Trump will ever see a wall is to stab the republicans in back and give the democrats a huge gift for the funds to build it.
Sure about that ? Seems like a bit more than a wall to me...
$5.7 billion for 234 miles of a new physical barrier like steel.
$563 million for 75 more immigration judges and staff to work on hundreds of thousands of cases backlogged in courts.
$571 million for 2,000 more Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents.
$211 million to hire 750 additional Border Patrol agents.
$4.2 billion to support 52,000 detention beds used to house illegal immigrants.
$800 million to care for those in custody, including medical support, transportation, and temporary housing and medical facilities.
Saying "No" is not negotiating. That is an open admission that she has no intention of compromise. Maybe she should have said "I could agree to some amount of wall if you could agree to some of our demands". That is negotiating.
Trump asked that question to see if the Democrats were still playing games. We all know that in the past these same Democrats, Pelosi and Schumer, voted for, endorsed and lobbied to build a wall/fence, increase border security. They all made speeches condemning illegal immigration and calling for enforcing our laws to stop it.
So, when they say "no," to the very things they were proponents for, Trump knows they are still playing politics and it's a waste of time to talk to these scumbags.
Since you mention the FAA, this is a good article explaining what aspects of FAA are shut down at this time, and the impact on the safety of air travel.
The FAA, the Coast Guard and a border fence, and improvements to control illegal borders crossings are all about safety. Too bad the Democrats are all about petty partisan, Democratic Party politics.
So conservatives... is it a comprehension problem with you? Do you not understand some of the words? Or are you just dishonest?
Or are you basically saying Trump's word is garbage?..
You can spin lies, but the truth is that Donald proudly took ownership of the shutdown on December 11, 2018, and it's there for every reasonable person of sound mind to reference until the end of time. Donald is the one who took 800K workers and their families hostage to try to get his demands.
You people are too gullible. Might be the reason you guys have been so clueless since the Tea Party overran the house in 2010.
Just like "Mexico will pay for it"
"Ya Chuck, I'll take the blame" Because instead of placing blame right where it belongs, the democrats spend their time, looking for someone else to blame for their failures, Trump just got there before Chuckie, as the bigger man.
It is too easy to pull one over on you guys! You take yourselves way too seriously.
In 2005, a left-leaning blogger wrote, “Illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone.”
In 2006, a liberal columnist wrote that “immigration reduces the wages of domestic workers who compete with immigrants” and that “the fiscal burden of low-wage immigrants is also pretty clear.” His conclusion: “We’ll need to reduce the inflow of low-skill immigrants.”
That same year, a Democratic senator wrote, “When I see Mexican flags waved at proimmigration demonstrations, I sometimes feel a flush of patriotic resentment. When I’m forced to use a translator to communicate with the guy fixing my car, I feel a certain frustration.”
The blogger was Glenn Greenwald. The columnist was Paul Krugman. The senator was Barack Obama.
Fast forward to today, and the Democrats support and encourage illegal immigration, favoring open borders and sanctuary cities. And why wouldn't they, when the illegals in California equal more House of Representative seats for California Democrats.
“Overall we found that the presence of non-citizens caused a total of nine seats to change hands. Indiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin each lost a seat that they had prior to the 2000 Census while Montana, Kentucky and Utah each failed to gain a seat they other wise would have gained, but for the presences non-citizens in other states,” Camarota wrote in his report. At that time, it was estimated that two-thirds of the seats redistributed by non-citizens went to California.
The thing is that for a fence. Not a wall, but a fence according to Politifact. That Politifact article lists that comment as mostly false since it is a twisted up truth. In some areas of the border there is a fence, in others there are the slats (which the border agents want more so than an actual wall)I n others because it is privately owned land, there is maybe barbed wire fence and that's it or in other areas there is nothing due to the fact that they are in terrain that can't be built on.
How come the great negotiator can't follow through on his biggest campaign promise? Why hasn't he even tried? Why is this a big issue right now, when he had two years to get his bootlicker GOP congress to get it done?
Short answer: he's doing it now to deflect attention away from his Russiagate, SDNY and NY atty general woes. The big dummy probably doesn't yet realize that these crimes will follow him to the grave.
This is absolutely true. He is using the issue to deflect from all the other bad news AND to have another rallying cry for next year's campaign. He is capable of thinking that far ahead when he is impacted. "I went to the mattresses for your wall." "I kept my promise and fought for the wall." etc., etc., etc. No matter the majority never wanted the wall in the first place. No matter the data doesn't support the efficacy. No matter Mexico has not and will never shell out one peso. No matter how many millions were harmed. It's always all about him.
You're totally wrong on all accounts. Trump was talking about border security and the wall well before he was even elected. There was no so-called bad news going on then.
It doesn't matter what the majority think because they haven't bothered to educate themselves on this issue. Many are bleeding hearts with no common sense and logic, hire illegal aliens for profit, listen to the lies of the Democrats without seeking out the facts or have ethnic ties to illegal aliens.
The data does support the need for a good physical barrier. Even the Border Patrol and Homeland Security have stated as such and they are on the front lines. Why did congress pass the wall bill in 2006 if the data didn't support a need for a wall? Schumer and Obama's signature were on it.
I have posted a link numerous times denoting how Trump can get Mexico to pay for the wall and he never said they'd write a check for it. Did you cry about the taxpayer having to fully fund it under the above bill passed in 2006? You'd rather continue to pay the over $100 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us than to pay for a $25 billion wall? There are people getting into our country via our southern border that aren't seeking economic opportunity with a far more sinister agenda. You and yours make no sense at all.
Just whom is Trump harming? The government has been shut down before for far less important reasons. I'd rather not see the over 320 million in our country harmed because of weak border security than to worry about some government employees not getting a paycheck or two. They'll get it once the government is back open anyway.
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