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Old 01-11-2019, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220 View Post
You wouldn't be able to work at that point, so how would you earn the money? Half serious question....
Are we talking about in a free world (no State) or the current one (with the omnipotent State)?

 
Old 01-11-2019, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Are we talking about in a free world (no State) or the current one (with the omnipotent State)?
I'm saying if you had said illness, you would be most likely bed ridden physically
 
Old 01-11-2019, 05:39 PM
 
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No they don't and you have no proof the free market does not work for healthcare. Lasic surgery is a perfect example of the free market working.

Healthcare costs go up when government gets involved. We know that for a fact as there are plenty of examples. We know costs go down and efficiency goes up when there is competition in the free market but you don't understand that? lol

Because you are uninformed. Thats why you can't imagine.

You made everything up and cannot back it up. Just because you said so using no examples. ZERO

PROVE IT loveshiscountry.


Come on Love, PROVE IT. you're making an extraordinary claim that flies in the face of all known data so prove it....



UK pays about half as much a year per human as we do and they live longer.
Here is proof you are wrong lovehiscountry.....

In pounds per head, that's £2,892 on healthcare for every person in the UK and £7,617 per person in the US
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42950587

$5,200 Uk vs $10,300 US
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...e-than-the-u-s


seems your claim that govs cost more is just bogus, UK GOV does a great job and does it for about half as much as the US...
 
Old 01-11-2019, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220 View Post
I'm saying if you had said illness, you would be most likely bed ridden physically
I understand that.

But the preparation is different if there's no State vs. having a State.

Here's reality though: people are still going to die no matter how free they are or if government goons make sure their fences aren't over 6-ft tall.
 
Old 01-11-2019, 05:44 PM
 
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Apparently education is a right for all children, something society provides through taxes as opposed to the parents. People who cannot afford health insurance are paying for someone else's kids school. So maybe health care should be a right too.
Probably not so much. If they can't afford health insurance, chances are that they are paying nothing for property taxes (probably renting) and are paying very little, if anything for state taxes.


On the other hand, the citizens of the state are probably paying for their Medicaid (and that for their children) as well as federally supported food stamps, WIC, and subsidized housing.
 
Old 01-11-2019, 05:46 PM
 
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So you dont own your body, society does?
your response has zero to do with anything i posted.

If you get close to the topic i will gladly engage.
 
Old 01-11-2019, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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You wouldn't have any deductible if we had Canadian style single payer; that's what I want



Ahhhh but that's where you're wrong young Jedi.

You are confusing the concept of "single payer" with "free".....

I was recently in Canada on business and my counterpart I was working with there was suffering from a hernia.

I took the occasion to ask him about his counrty's health care system.

He said he was going to have to wait four months for his surgery, but that was ok because it gave him time to save up the $4000 that was his share of the cost.

Apparently the "free healthcare" in Canada ain't so free....

How much you have to contribute depends on sort of a lottery system that takes into account what your condition is, how much you make and what part of the country you live in.

So.....his was $4000......

Mine is currently $7500

Mine before the "Affordable Care Act" was $1800...

Which one would you like to pay?
 
Old 01-11-2019, 06:56 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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It's my right...
You have the right to....
Healthcare is a right...
College is a right....


Is it really a right, if someone else has to do it for you?
Can I force you to provide a right to me?
Or, do rights deal with Natural Law and things you can provide for yourself?


Interesting to see the diverse viewpoints to come.....




Popcorn please!
I don't wanna pay for your Medicare.
 
Old 01-11-2019, 07:13 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220 View Post
You wouldn't have any deductible if we had Canadian style single payer; that's what I want
Actually you would and it would be paid every April 15th.
Canada should build their military and quit accepting US foreign aid.
 
Old 01-11-2019, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Healthcare is not and never will be a right. Only the immoral and greedy would force healthcare on others.

Learn exactly what a right is and then make an informed comment please.
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