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The problem is this:
1. The $5B is just a start for the wall. Trump will need another $10-15B to finish the wall. And then there's annual maintenance.
2. The Dreamer (DACA) immigrants are here to stay. No matter what. They have no where else to go.
3. Defunding Planned Parenthood is such a hollow threat. The Feds pay very little for this benefit with no money going to abortion.
Deal or No Deal? I'd advise the Democrats to walk. Trump promised a wall with Mexico paying for it. Get Mexico to pay for it and I'd be onboard.
1. No big deal. It dwarfs the cost of illegal immigration-particularly depressed wages for low skill citizens.
2. ? Here until case winds past appeals to SC, but that is likely 12 months max. Plus here even then with far fewer rights, btw.
If Dems walk, enjoy social welfare funding mostly not available March on, explain to your base, you traded No Wall for the SNAP & WIC benefits they used to get. Tell me how that conversation goes. I am looking forward to them recognizing the deal you made.
What compromise do you want the Democrats to make?
Nothing different that what they have agreed to before. Everything in Trumps current offer is something they have either agreed to before or said they want.
You know, if Obama had built a wall, Trump would be tearing it down now.
The wall will likely take a decade to build, cost a lot more than it should, be climbed over, tunnelled under, and will need maintenance on one end before the other end is ever completed. Not to mention the seizing of land via eminent domain.
And then the next Democrat President will tear it down anyway.
So they all need to compromise on border security and immigration, to build barriers where appropriate, use E-verify and other 21st century solutions. We don't really need the Great Wall of Trump. It's an overly simplistic solution to a complex problem.
One thing that gets me is his recent televised address.
First, he calls a meeting at the White House and walks out on it. Instead of calling another meeting where meaningful dialog can be exchanged, he tries to set up a deal via a television spot where there is no negotiation, only 'his deal' is presented. His only hope was to try and get public sympathy. Thing is, the public has been seeing through his sham for some time now. Finally, he tries to come off a calm, concerned and compassionate. A man whose entire life has been belligerent, antagonistic and spiteful is now suddenly concerned about the welfare of immigrants. Yeah, right.
In essence, he seems to be pleading for his life as it were. He has no where else to go except to beg.
So, tell me. Do you have a problem that we took in boat people after the Vietnam War or displaced people after WWII? Are you just opposed to people who can walk here?
Immigration laws have needed a big overhaul for years. The Senate tried to do a bipartisan bill some years ago, but it went nowhere in the Republican controlled house.
There are still areas that were targeted for fences with the 2006 law that are unfenced because landowners are still fighting it in the courts. Trump's dumb wall doesn't fix that. The Democrats want to repair and replace old fencing. Got a problem with that? The Democrats want to increase border patrol agents and judges. Got a problem with that? The Democrats want to use modern technology to help patrol the border. Got a problem with that?
Besides that, why the sudden thing with one caravan after another? That's not business as usual. Did it ever occur to you that someone is down there stirring this up for a purpose?
" Do you have a problem that we took in boat people after the Vietnam War or displaced people after WWII?"
What a wild stretch. But then, I wouldn't expect anything else.
The current immigrants we have are NOT from countries who were AT REAL WARS.
When Mexico, Guatemala, etc., have a REAL war, let us know! Unless you want us to start one down there!
One thing that gets me is his recent televised address.
First, he calls a meeting at the White House and walks out on it. Instead of calling another meeting where meaningful dialog can be exchanged, he tries to set up a deal via a television spot where there is no negotiation, only 'his deal' is presented. His only hope was to try and get public sympathy. Thing is, the public has been seeing through his sham for some time now. Finally, he tries to come off a calm, concerned and compassionate. A man whose entire life has been belligerent, antagonistic and spiteful is now suddenly concerned about the welfare of immigrants. Yeah, right.
In essence, he seems to be pleading for his life as it were. He has no where else to go except to beg.
Obviously I understand that given the makeup of Congress, compromise is necessary to stop the impasse but I'll honestly say that as a Trump supporter and the son of LEGAL immigrants, Trump has already compromised significantly more than the Democrats.
As a voter here is what I actually believe:
If someone is illegal, they don't deserve anything. I think DACA should be rescinded and they should have NO path to citizenship and that they should just be happy we're not able to deport them all. Illegal aliens in my opinion are NOT entitled to in-state college tuition or shouldn't even have the right to education or health care at all in the United States. I also believe in an Israeli-style concrete barrier going at least 20 feet underground to prevent tunnels and with sensors and drones flying across the border at all times. I also believe birthright citizenship should be modified where at least one parent has to be in the U.S. legally.
I would also be okay with the use of snipers and drone strikes against Mexican drug cartels and traffickers along the border.
So yes what Trump has done is compromise MUCH more than the Democrats have. Given that I now recognize the need for compromise given the makeup of Congress, I can LIVE WITH (not necessarily like) DACA recipients being given permanent residency but not citizenship, and their illegal parents should have zero respite. No illegal alien who came over the age of 18 should get any kind of amnesty. This in exchange for the wall. Either all this or the complete and permanent defunding of Planned Parenthood and the permanent repeal of Obamacare in exchange for no wall and continued DACA.
The Democrats haven't compromise a single bit. This is why I believe Trump must keep the government closed until the Democrats back down. If Trump re-opens the government now we get nothing and the Democrats get everything they want- no wall, plus amnesty for DACA and other illegals.
I think you need a snickers
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