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Old 01-21-2019, 11:49 AM
 
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I think 3 year DACA deal was too generous. I am relieved it was not accepted.

I'd be ok with it in return for DACA kids testifying against their family if family came illegally with them.
Luckily, your Stasi like idea will never fly in America.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:50 AM
 
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Oh, I don't know - I think he can compromise much, much more.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:56 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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The problem is this:
1. The $5B is just a start for the wall. Trump will need another $10-15B to finish the wall. And then there's annual maintenance.
2. The Dreamer (DACA) immigrants are here to stay. No matter what. They have no where else to go.
3. Defunding Planned Parenthood is such a hollow threat. The Feds pay very little for this benefit with no money going to abortion.

Deal or No Deal? I'd advise the Democrats to walk. Trump promised a wall with Mexico paying for it. Get Mexico to pay for it and I'd be onboard.
IN general our government constantly makes life easier for illegals like DACA which is incentive for more illegals to come. We do also need to be penalizing the businesses that hire illegals. If we make it harder for illegals to find work and get benefits that will discourage illegal immigration.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:57 AM
 
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Oh, I don't know - I think he can compromise much, much more.
Well, to be fair, anything would be more than nothing at all, which is how much he's compromised thus far.
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:02 PM
 
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No need for the snarky remarks.:( I don't watch the news 24/7. Glad to see that the Democrats are at least making a counter offer rather than them just saying NO as they did in the past and the left making false claims that it is Trump that doesn't want to compromise.
Lol. Pot meet kettle. Does “ Squawk squawk, Polly want a cracker?†ring any bells.
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:03 PM
 
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NIMBY is alive and well I see.

I'll keep my tax money til someone in office that doesn't have a personal axe to grind gets in office. For now the entire congress needs to refrain from funding this ludicrous band aid idea.

I got a great idea....let's deport some citizens here to balance out the population. ...starting with Trump. Take one for the team !
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:20 PM
 
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Obviously I understand that given the makeup of Congress, compromise is necessary to stop the impasse but I'll honestly say that as a Trump supporter and the son of LEGAL immigrants, Trump has already compromised significantly more than the Democrats.

As a voter here is what I actually believe:

If someone is illegal, they don't deserve anything. I think DACA should be rescinded and they should have NO path to citizenship and that they should just be happy we're not able to deport them all. Illegal aliens in my opinion are NOT entitled to in-state college tuition or shouldn't even have the right to education or health care at all in the United States. I also believe in an Israeli-style concrete barrier going at least 20 feet underground to prevent tunnels and with sensors and drones flying across the border at all times. I also believe birthright citizenship should be modified where at least one parent has to be in the U.S. legally.

I would also be okay with the use of snipers and drone strikes against Mexican drug cartels and traffickers along the border.

So yes what Trump has done is compromise MUCH more than the Democrats have. Given that I now recognize the need for compromise given the makeup of Congress, I can LIVE WITH (not necessarily like) DACA recipients being given permanent residency but not citizenship, and their illegal parents should have zero respite. No illegal alien who came over the age of 18 should get any kind of amnesty. This in exchange for the wall. Either all this or the complete and permanent defunding of Planned Parenthood and the permanent repeal of Obamacare in exchange for no wall and continued DACA.

The Democrats haven't compromise a single bit. This is why I believe Trump must keep the government closed until the Democrats back down. If Trump re-opens the government now we get nothing and the Democrats get everything they want- no wall, plus amnesty for DACA and other illegals.
Can someone impeach the senators or congressmen ( whichever the democrats control) ?? That sounds like a good idea than impeaching the President. They are technically holding the government to ransom. However they may feel that Trump is not trustworthy and he may not honor the deal once he has his job done. ( which is not true because he is following up on every campaign promise).

While I agree with your post, but still want to remind that US is much more humanitarian and compassionate than Israel. So such measures wont work here.

And also Mexico is plaaning for this
https://www.amazon.com/Build-That-La.../dp/B01N5X972V
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:26 PM
 
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He sure as hell is compromised.
Compromised? I should say.
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:01 PM
 
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Can someone impeach the senators or congressmen ( whichever the democrats control) ?? That sounds like a good idea than impeaching the President. They are technically holding the government to ransom. However they may feel that Trump is not trustworthy and he may not honor the deal once he has his job done. ( which is not true because he is following up on every campaign promise).

While I agree with your post, but still want to remind that US is much more humanitarian and compassionate than Israel. So such measures wont work here.

And also Mexico is plaaning for this
https://www.amazon.com/Build-That-La.../dp/B01N5X972V
How can you speculate so falsely? Mexico was to pay for the wall...that was his promise...

I'd welcome an unbiased and fair accessment...care to parlay such ?
What is humanitarian about starvation and persecution? Never mind...the answer is ...nothing.
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Old 01-21-2019, 02:26 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Luckily, your Stasi like idea will never fly in America.
How is that a Stasi idea? Criminals cut deals all the time!!! So you claim the DACA kids shouldn't be punished for the crimes of their parents. Should these parents be punished for their own crimes????
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