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Old 01-21-2019, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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I do hope POTUS Trump stops offering as much as he did Saturday.
He will since he didn't offer anything new and he knows it. He tried to play Dems and lost. The shutdown is on him.
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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He will since he didn't offer anything new and he knows it. He tried to play Dems and lost. The shutdown is on him.
I do not think he deserves all the credit, but it is great to see smaller govt, a full 31 days, and going strong.

Happy 31st Shutdown Day. Much more to come.

MAGA!!
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:52 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Similar to what President Trump proposed - but giving permanent residency to the Dreamers (NOT their parents) in exchange for the border wall and the $5 in border security. This would be compromising within the border security and immigration issue.
Trump is not concerned about wall funding or border security (he is concerned about working his voter base.)
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...r-wall-fantasy

Trump had the opportunity to have meetings with Mexico's president to get Mexico to pay for the wall. But Trump refused the Mexico meeting and instead told Mexico's president "Its OK if Mexico does not pay for the wall, just tell the reporters we are working it out."
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...r-wall-fantasy


Trump could have introduced wall funding in the new NAFTA negotiations, but Trump did not do it.

And "Trump had two years to negotiate comprehensive immigration reform with a Republican Congress that might have included wall funding." But Trump did not do it
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/2631551002/


"The White House could also have quietly, rationally made concessions earlier in this “negotiating” round to get some funding for the wall in the Department of Homeland Security’s $50-billion budget" But Trump did not do it.
https://qz.com/1500514/trumps-border-wall-dilemma/


And in February 2018 democrats offered Trump $25 billion for his wall in exchange for DACA protections for Dreamers (and Trump refused the deal.)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...wall-slip-away
The immigration deal Trump should've taken, but didn't | MSNBC
https://www.politifact.com/virginia/...-nixing-25-bi/


And Trump is not even concerned about border security.

Trump "Rejected Homeland Security’s request for a surveillance system in the Rio Grande Valley."

Trump "Rejected a $7.9 million request from Customs and Border Protection to upgrade its P-3 surveillance aircraft, which tracks drugs being shipped from Peru, Colombia, and other countries, and which was responsible for the seizure of 193,197 pounds of cocaine in 2016."

Trump is "seeking to delay a $15 million request to buy 15 new Coastal Interceptor boats in order to keep pace with the faster boats being used by smugglers."

And Trump Cut "almost 200 of the 500 canine units that officials say play an integral role in preventing smuggling and terrorism."

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...r-wall-fantasy
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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I do hope POTUS Trump stops offering as much as he did Saturday.
You hope Trump stops offering nothing? Well, then, you should be very happy, because that's exactly what he HAS offered thus far.
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:58 AM
 
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Obviously I understand that given the makeup of Congress, compromise is necessary to stop the impasse but I'll honestly say that as a Trump supporter and the son of LEGAL immigrants, Trump has already compromised significantly more than the Democrats.

As a voter here is what I actually believe:

If someone is illegal, they don't deserve anything. I think DACA should be rescinded and they should have NO path to citizenship and that they should just be happy we're not able to deport them all. Illegal aliens in my opinion are NOT entitled to in-state college tuition or shouldn't even have the right to education or health care at all in the United States. I also believe in an Israeli-style concrete barrier going at least 20 feet underground to prevent tunnels and with sensors and drones flying across the border at all times. I also believe birthright citizenship should be modified where at least one parent has to be in the U.S. legally.

I would also be okay with the use of snipers and drone strikes against Mexican drug cartels and traffickers along the border.

So yes what Trump has done is compromise MUCH more than the Democrats have. Given that I now recognize the need for compromise given the makeup of Congress, I can LIVE WITH (not necessarily like) DACA recipients being given permanent residency but not citizenship, and their illegal parents should have zero respite. No illegal alien who came over the age of 18 should get any kind of amnesty. This in exchange for the wall. Either all this or the complete and permanent defunding of Planned Parenthood and the permanent repeal of Obamacare in exchange for no wall and continued DACA.

The Democrats haven't compromise a single bit. This is why I believe Trump must keep the government closed until the Democrats back down. If Trump re-opens the government now we get nothing and the Democrats get everything they want- no wall, plus amnesty for DACA and other illegals.
Reinstating DACA isn't a compromise, it's just returning something that was in place before Trump. I'd like to see him actually try some real compromise. Why not start with the deals he rejected previously.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:03 AM
 
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I agree.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:09 AM
 
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The Democrats want to repair and replace old fencing. Got a problem with that? The Democrats want to increase border patrol agents and judges. Got a problem with that? The Democrats want to use modern technology to help patrol the border. Got a problem with that?
Yes. Show me proof they actually want better boarder security and a REDUCED number of illegals in the country. I have not heard anything from them recently but we should let them all in and all 2/3 of them to be supported by the American taxpayers. Ten to fifteen years ago their tune was different but today’s democrats are different. They care more about split and divide and improving their power. They care nothing of the average joe and Jane American.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:12 AM
 
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Reinstating DACA isn't a compromise, it's just returning something that was in place before Trump. I'd like to see him actually try some real compromise. Why not start with the deals he rejected previously.
Those don’t include a wall, which I do believe will help. Around the world they have been proven to help. Still being built today. Frankly, I don’t see why there is such a stigma around them. Just because we have a wall between us and our neighbors does not men we do not like them. A wall actually helps BOTH countries.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:27 AM
 
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No sane Democrats would ever comprise, nor should they.

A well designed wall would significantly curtail the influx of the illegals who have the potential to overwhelmingly vote for the Democrats.

Democrats would be foolish to accept any deal.

As for America and Americans, they can go to hell as far as the Democrats are concerned.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:27 AM
 
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Wait till DACA gets to the Supreme Court and then we'll see where that issue goes. The lower courts don't have a final say.
SCOTUS declined to hear the appeal on DACA. It will be at least another 10 months before they consider it again. Things could be quite different in 10 months.
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