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This is not the most accurate analogy and you know it.
The more apt analogy is when the police catch a group of criminals who had just committed a major robbery and the getaway driver is offered a deal with a reduced sentence or some kind of amnesty even if he could identify the mastermind who planned and led the robbery. Or when the cops arrest a drug dealer on the street corner and offers him a deal for "snitching" on the high level traffickers. You get the gist.
If anything the DACA parents are like someone who breaks into a house, steals a lot of money and gives some of it to their kids. Now should the kids get to keep this stolen money when the parents are arrested?????? Illegal aliens steal from the American people that's the essence of illegal immigration in my mind.
I did not follow closely enough, but don't you remember Trump offering more than double what the Democrats asked for DACA illegals a while back, and they refused?
Why didn't they take that offer
I'd guess because they don't really care about DACA recipients as much as they claim to.
Personally I'd have liked to see President Trump wait till their residencies expired then boot them all out the door. But if I had to, I'd live with them being here awhile longer if it meant getting a wall. But no "pathway to citizenship."
Wrong issue. The shutdown has nothing to do with a wall or secure border.
It has to do with the way laws are made and the function of the various branches of government.
See if you can stick to that one. It's much simpler than the others.
We don't want to hear YOU complain when future Presidents decide to shut down the government every few months because they want something. It just doesn't work out. It's a line in the sand.
We govern by the Constitution, not by decree of an Orange King.
The Government is shut down because Democrats are fighting against anything and everything our President wants to do, regardless of what it might be. This border wall just happens to be something that he was elected to do and those of us who voted for him want it done. We've wanted it done for decades and we're tired of our safety being used as a political toy by democrats who want to build their voter base with illegals.
The US Constitution that you're speaking about specifically tasks the President with keeping our Nation safe, that isn't negotiable.
Oh, so you admit the fencing in place already works.
Of course the fencing and walls already in place work to different degrees depending on the design, all we want is to continue building what already works well.
Obviously I understand that given the makeup of Congress, compromise is necessary to stop the impasse but I'll honestly say that as a Trump supporter and the son of LEGAL immigrants, Trump has already compromised significantly more than the Democrats.
As a voter here is what I actually believe:
If someone is illegal, they don't deserve anything. I think DACA should be rescinded and they should have NO path to citizenship and that they should just be happy we're not able to deport them all. Illegal aliens in my opinion are NOT entitled to in-state college tuition or shouldn't even have the right to education or health care at all in the United States. I also believe in an Israeli-style concrete barrier going at least 20 feet underground to prevent tunnels and with sensors and drones flying across the border at all times. I also believe birthright citizenship should be modified where at least one parent has to be in the U.S. legally.
I would also be okay with the use of snipers and drone strikes against Mexican drug cartels and traffickers along the border.
So yes what Trump has done is compromise MUCH more than the Democrats have. Given that I now recognize the need for compromise given the makeup of Congress, I can LIVE WITH (not necessarily like) DACA recipients being given permanent residency but not citizenship, and their illegal parents should have zero respite. No illegal alien who came over the age of 18 should get any kind of amnesty. This in exchange for the wall. Either all this or the complete and permanent defunding of Planned Parenthood and the permanent repeal of Obamacare in exchange for no wall and continued DACA.
The Democrats haven't compromise a single bit. This is why I believe Trump must keep the government closed until the Democrats back down. If Trump re-opens the government now we get nothing and the Democrats get everything they want- no wall, plus amnesty for DACA and other illegals.
So what if they dig 21 feet wouldn't that be under the border still.
The Government is shut down because Democrats are fighting against anything and everything our President wants to do, regardless of what it might be. This border wall just happens to be something that he was elected to do and those of us who voted for him want it done. We've wanted it done for decades and we're tired of our safety being used as a political toy by democrats who want to build their voter base with illegals.
The US Constitution that you're speaking about specifically tasks the President with keeping our Nation safe, that isn't negotiable.
The thought is good. The execution of the plan makes no sense. What is your plan for the northern border ? How long you think this wall will take to be made and do you really feel 5.6 bills will be enough ?
The Government is shut down because Democrats are fighting against anything and everything our President wants to do, regardless of what it might be. This border wall just happens to be something that he was elected to do and those of us who voted for him want it done. We've wanted it done for decades and we're tired of our safety being used as a political toy by democrats who want to build their voter base with illegals.
The US Constitution that you're speaking about specifically tasks the President with keeping our Nation safe, that isn't negotiable.
The government is shut down because Trump wanted to shut it down; said he would shut it down and would proudly wear the mantle of shutting the government down.
He's unfit for office.
IF he wanted the wall SO BAD and his voters wanted it so badly - why WASN'T IT THE FIRST THING ON HIS AGENDA?????
He is demanding that Pelosi give him what Ryan would not.
Sorry. Ain't gonna happen. Mid-term voters spoke and soundly rejected the Trump agenda.
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The Government is shut down because Democrats are fighting against anything and everything our President wants to do, regardless of what it might be. This border wall just happens to be something that he was elected to do and those of us who voted for him want it done. We've wanted it done for decades and we're tired of our safety being used as a political toy by democrats who want to build their voter base with illegals.
The US Constitution that you're speaking about specifically tasks the President with keeping our Nation safe, that isn't negotiable.
Yes, the just under 25% of Americans who elected him clearly want the wall.
The majority of the rest of us don't, though.
And that's how a democracy works. He's trying to pass things most people don't want, and it's not working, and he doesn't have a right to, just because his ardent supporters want it.
I'd guess because they don't really care about DACA recipients as much as they claim to.
Personally I'd have liked to see President Trump wait till their residencies expired then boot them all out the door. But if I had to, I'd live with them being here awhile longer if it meant getting a wall. But no "pathway to citizenship."
The government is shut down because Trump wanted to shut it down; said he would shut it down and would proudly wear the mantle of shutting the government down.
He's unfit for office.
IF he wanted the wall SO BAD and his voters wanted it so badly - why WASN'T IT THE FIRST THING ON HIS AGENDA?????
He is demanding that Pelosi give him what Ryan would not.
Sorry. Ain't gonna happen. Mid-term voters spoke and soundly rejected the Trump agenda.
He said if we elected him he would build a wall, we elected him and now he wants to build that wall. He's doing exactly what he said he would do if we elected him. He's doing it to protect our Southern border which makes him very much fit for office, he's one of the first presidents in my memory who actually shows some concern for this subject.
The Mid-term voters didn't speak nearly as loud as you're making it sound, had they soundly rejected the Trump agenda they would have given democrats the Senate instead of giving the GOP an even larger majority.
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