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Old 01-21-2019, 06:56 PM
 
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Have you ever been to our Southern border. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of miles of it are already lined with a wall, a fence or some other type of barricade which have been proven to work amazingly well while never being called concentration camp devices before. Why haven't democrats been fighting to tear down the walls we already have if walls are such evil things? Could it be because you know how easy it is for illegals to walk across the areas that don't have walls or fences so you've never been fearful of what a real secure border would mean?

Not only that but why were the Democrats in favor of a wall back in 2006 up to and including Schumer and Obama's signature on the bill. Crickets...... Did these same anti-wall people in here b*tch about it back then and call it a concentration camp? Nope, hypocricy rules with these people.
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Old 01-21-2019, 06:57 PM
 
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Have you ever been to our Southern border. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of miles of it are already lined with a wall, a fence or some other type of barricade which have been proven to work amazingly well while never being called concentration camp devices before. Why haven't democrats been fighting to tear down the walls we already have if walls are such evil things? Could it be because you know how easy it is for illegals to walk across the areas that don't have walls or fences so you've never been fearful of what a real secure border would mean?
Wrong issue. The shutdown has nothing to do with a wall or secure border.

It has to do with the way laws are made and the function of the various branches of government.

See if you can stick to that one. It's much simpler than the others.

We don't want to hear YOU complain when future Presidents decide to shut down the government every few months because they want something. It just doesn't work out. It's a line in the sand.

We govern by the Constitution, not by decree of an Orange King.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb Just an fyi...

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Not only that but why were the Democrats in favor of a wall back in 2006 up to and including Schumer and Obama's signature on the bill. Crickets...... Did these same anti-wall people in here b*tch about it back then and call it a concentration camp? Nope, hypocricy rules with these people.
Not a wall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006

Check it out.

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Old 01-21-2019, 07:00 PM
 
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Have you ever been to our Southern border. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of miles of it are already lined with a wall, a fence or some other type of barricade which have been proven to work amazingly well while never being called concentration camp devices before. Why haven't democrats been fighting to tear down the walls we already have if walls are such evil things? Could it be because you know how easy it is for illegals to walk across the areas that don't have walls or fences so you've never been fearful of what a real secure border would mean?
Oh, so you admit the fencing in place already works.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:33 PM
 
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Oh, so you admit the fencing in place already works.
It needs filling in - 550 miles.
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:40 PM
 
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Why didn't the 'great negotiator' take any of those offers before he decided to shut down the government over far less?


One might think POTUS hasn't a CLUE as to what he wants until someone tells him.
I did not follow closely enough, but don't you remember Trump offering more than double what the Democrats asked for DACA illegals a while back, and they refused?
Why didn't they take that offer
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:43 PM
 
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I did not follow closely enough, but don't you remember Trump offering more than double what the Democrats asked for DACA illegals a while back, and they refused?
Why didn't they take that offer
Come again?
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Actually, I largely considered the entire terms of GWB to be a constitutional crisis as he was not elected but rather selected and his Republican Congress was responsible for most of the policies that sunk us.

Remember - the Great Recession? Remember - the Wars of Agression? 10's of trillions down the tubes.....but yet you think I was happy about what those crooks and no-goods did in 2006?

Amazing.

"Both chambers had a Republican majority, the same party as President Bush."
Wow, are you leftists still sore about that?

GWB was elected, not "selected."
He won the original count in Florida, every machine recount and every hand recount.
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Old 01-22-2019, 01:10 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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I don't consider the parents of DACA children to be criminals anymore than someone who speeds on a highway. Ask those who lived in East Germany at the time. Being required to inform on your neighbors and family was considered the most gut wrenching part of living in East Germany before the fall of the Soviet Union.
This is not the most accurate analogy and you know it.

The more apt analogy is when the police catch a group of criminals who had just committed a major robbery and the getaway driver is offered a deal with a reduced sentence or some kind of amnesty even if he could identify the mastermind who planned and led the robbery. Or when the cops arrest a drug dealer on the street corner and offers him a deal for "snitching" on the high level traffickers. You get the gist.

If anything the DACA parents are like someone who breaks into a house, steals a lot of money and gives some of it to their kids. Now should the kids get to keep this stolen money when the parents are arrested?????? Illegal aliens steal from the American people that's the essence of illegal immigration in my mind.
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Old 01-22-2019, 01:13 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Wow, are you leftists still sore about that?

GWB was elected, not "selected."
He won the original count in Florida, every machine recount and every hand recount.
I don't have a dog in the hunt ...


So, who really won? What the Bush v. Gore studies showed

"Even 15 years after the election, partisans on each side cherry-pick various scenarios that would have favored their candidate."


The Florida Recount of 2000

Q: When the votes were recounted in Florida, who won the 2000 presidential election?

A: Nobody can say for sure who might have won. A full, official recount of all votes statewide could have gone either way, but one was never conducted.

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