Hill-HarrisX Poll: 71% of Americans want Universal Healthcare (millionaire, layoff, money)

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by skeddy

problem is 100% don't want to pay for it. Silly poll.

BernieCare would cost roughly $13.8 trillion over its first decade of operation, roughly a 30 percent increase in federal spending.

Will you handover 30% of your income for it?

Actually a study done by a conservative group says the cost would decrease.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Colorado^

Poor people vote for others to pay for their $h!t. News at 11:00.

That would mean 71% of Americans are poor.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by notnamed

If this proposal costs less. Then we could essentially just take your employer/employee premium, give it to this new system instead and there you go with no increase.

And again, you are already paying for others. Your costs today help cover those folks that show up at an ER and can't pay.

but see, these plans take the cost OFF the employer, and put it directly on the employee(taxpayer)…..

for example currently you pay 500 a month...your 500/month is 25% of the actual premium..your employer is paying 1500/month for you

under a UHC/SP the ENTIRE cost is on the individual taxpayer, no more employer contribution

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by cjseliga

While the Swiss system is interesting, having only 8.5 million people and being a somewhat homogeneous population doesn't hurt either!

Homogeneous? They speak 4 different languages.

[notnamed]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

everyone deserves... just open up the yellow pages and find a doctors

its your health...its your body...its the SERVICE YOU receive..and its your bill..... NO-ONE should have to pay YOUR bill for you... have some pride man

So that reverts to cancer being a death sentence for everyone but multi-millionaires, which it will bankrupt in a short amount of time.

Some sort of pooling mechanism is the only way to achieve the increased life spans we have now.

[InformedConsent]

Why not have a buy-in for Universal Health Care? Agree to be taxed at 45% federal income tax rate on all of one's income, and get Universal Health Care. No income = no buy-in.

[notnamed]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

but see, these plans take the cost OFF the employer, and put it directly on the employee(taxpayer)…..

for example currently you pay 500 a month...your 500/month is 25% of the actual premium..your employer is paying 1500/month for you

under a UHC/SP the ENTIRE cost is on the individual taxpayer, no more employer contribution

Right, I mentioned that.

But your employer also pays a significant portion of your income tax that you never see to begin with. It's a shell game. Would just become the employer paid health tax contribution. Or ideally, just redirected to our pay.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

but see, these plans take the cost OFF the employer, and put it directly on the employee(taxpayer)…..

for example currently you pay 500 a month...your 500/month is 25% of the actual premium..your employer is paying 1500/month for you

under a UHC/SP the ENTIRE cost is on the individual taxpayer, no more employer contribution

Obviously that would depend on how it is set up. Some of the cost could come from corporate taxes, some from individual taxes, and some from VAT.

[aus10]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Actually a study done by a conservative group says the cost would decrease.

So hypothetically here.... An item costs X but the price is lowered by 10%. But... I've paid an annual dues of 30% to join the club. If I use the club enough in my purchases it might be a fiscally sound decision to have purchased that membership. If I don't use the club enough to justify the membership I'm screwed. Sounds like what you want is Costco Health Insurance to me....... I don't want to join the club.

[tamajane]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

That would mean 71% of Americans are poor.

Right, they cannot imagine anyone would vote for the benefit of society.

A lot of rich people in MA voted for health care in their state. Maybe they don't want disease outbreaks in their cities.