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Well, maybe if we weren't importing millions of illegal aliens, we could afford to do some of this stuff.
the ones here working are a benefit to you by way of cheaper goods and services, the ones who come here and get free medical and govt education are a problem. Stop all the giveaways and welfare.
Why do you want the govt in the child rearing biz?
Disagree with this. 50k is a completely arbitrary income limit, and this gives people an incentive not to increase their income. Also the tax code already too heavily incentivizes child care. As a person with no children yet, I’m sick of paying for everyone else’s kids.
Yeah, here is an idea. If one is going to have children plan out the expense of that and how your going to pay for it. If you cant sort it out, don't have children.
Free childcare is a Godsend for families that don't have non-working relatives readily available and willing, because obtaining it otherwise is so effin' expensive.
Yes, child care is expensive but if you can't afford children.....don't have them. Why should someone else have to pay for YOUR children?
So your admitting that campaign promises are just that and no rational person actually takes them literally understanding that we do not operate under a dictatorship so these declarations and funding for such can not come to fruition on the want or "promise" of one individual?
People do take campaign promises literally. From both sides. You don't want your side to be held accountable. Just mine.
You notice that things you consider a "fantasy" are often realized quite workably by other countries, countries where the emphasis is on improving the lives of citizens, instead of enriching the already rich?
THIS is why... Their average income earners pay a 45% national tax rate.
The effective national tax rate is in the second from the right column on page 9:
If you think you or anyone else thinks they can convince the average US income earner ($59,000/household) to pay a 45% effective federal tax rate, feel free to do so. We'll see if that happens...
Just an example of the cost of daycare today. I have 3 kids. Both Mom and Dad work. We were fortunately able to keep Mom home for the first year of each child's life. Costs for each kid were 1200 per month for 48 months. 172,800 bucks to put 3 kids in daycare.
Like college educations, the cost of child care has exploded. It is crippling many families. I don't think this is the solution but it is a problem that society should address.
Also- many parents already get "vouchers" for childcare costs. I'm not sure how this would change that.
My parents wanted a third child also, but they ran the numbers and decided they couldn't afford it and would be happy with the two (wonderful!) kids they ended up with.
I'm not saying you shouldn't have had a third. I know you live them all. But you shouldn't have had him, and then complain that you need taxpayers to pay for daycare expenses.
Sanders never proposed free college. People who do not educate themselves should not condemn those who want to.
the Bern has tweeted about free college a few hundred times.
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Yeah, here is an idea. If one is going to have children plan out the expense of that and how your going to pay for it. If you cant sort it out, don't have children.
I believe I have suggested exactly this. My family is my responsibility... your family is not my responsibility.
As the rich get richer, less people will be able to afford children. The right wing hates people having families.
I dont know about the right "hating families" sounds like hyperbole to me, but you are advocating for govt child rearing in leu of a strong family unit, which is a decidedly leftist proposition.
If you think you or anyone else thinks they can convince the average US income earner ($59,000/household) to pay a 45% effective federal tax rate, feel free to do so. We'll see if that happens...
If the socialist democracies are doing it, I'm fine with that. Try to convince their citizens to switch to our profit driven medical system that bankrupts people.
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My family is my responsibility... your family is not my responsibility.
