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Old 02-20-2019, 01:51 PM
 
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See above. An educated society lifts everyone.
Except you have no proof you'd be educating anyone nor be able to prove any tangible benefit to those made poorer to fund the scheme.
Its a catchy slogan though.
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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NO, IT WOULDN'T BE MORE LIKE IT. If one cannot afford the care for their kids 100% out of their own personal funds, don't have them. You have no right to force others to pay for your kids babysitting.


And really, people on minimum wage have no business making children. There is no way to support them on that low a wage without stealing from others.
while I agree about not having kids if you cant afford them.. there are sometimes extenuating circumstances


Back in 1996 my wife died... I was the sole worker for the household, making decent money to provide for my wife and child.


I looked at the prices of daycare (here in NY, back in 96) 200/week back then (now well over 280/week).. I literally said fk me...how am I going to do this....help would have been a good thing back then, but unfortunately I made too much(45k at the time)(now making well over 75k, with a new wife and 4 kids) for help from DSS.... luckily I had a helpful neighbor, because otherwise I would have been screwed...




btw the cutoff for DSS help at the time was 35k...had I been making under 35k, dss would have (on a sliding scale) helped me to the point of which daycare would have cost about 40/week instead of 200/week




you cant always paint with such a broad brush
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:57 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Not going to work. You can pay for childcare or everything else.
More like you can pay for childcare AND everything else. Because we're already paying for everything else. I say let those who earn 50k or less learn a little responsibility.
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:58 PM
 
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Except you have no proof you'd be educating anyone nor be able to prove any tangible benefit to those made poorer to fund the scheme.
Its a catchy slogan though.
I'm perfectly fine with cutting off the benefits the Federal Reserve provide for them instead. Until we do that........
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:59 PM
 
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More like you can pay for childcare AND everything else. Because we're already paying for everything else. I say let those who earn 50k or less learn a little responsibility.
You can say it all day.
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:03 PM
 
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while I agree about not having kids if you cant afford them.. there are sometimes extenuating circumstances


Back in 1996 my wife died... I was the sole worker for the household, making decent money to provide for my wife and child.


I looked at the prices of daycare (here in NY, back in 96) 200/week back then (now well over 280/week).. I literally said fk me...how am I going to do this....help would have been a good thing back then, but unfortunately I made too much(45k at the time) for help from DSS.... luckily I had a helpful neighbor, because otherwise I would have been screwed...




btw the cutoff for DSS help at the time was 35k...had I been making under 35k, dss would have (on a sliding scale) helped me to the point of which daycare would have cost about 40/week instead of 200/week




you cant always paint with such a broad brush

I am painting with a broad brush. I don't want to pay for anyone's babysitting, unless they ask me first. Your need does not give you the right to take from others without asking. You found a way to make it happen. You did it. So can everyone else.


And by the way, you should have had life insurance and/or savings to cover this. If I were having kids today, there would be sufficient life insurance coverage to allow me to stay home with my kids if my spouse were killed or incapacitated.


Day care is a terrible option for a 2 parent household. It is even worse if a parent dies. In that case, the other parent should be home and raising the kids full time. And if life insurance is purchased, that can be a reality.
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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That is the attitude that will ensure this kind of socialism happens.
Look at that, everyone, tamajane thinks "personal responsibility" is the "attitude" that will ensure socialism happens.

Part of me wants you all to get your socialism so I can laugh in your faces in a very short time after you get what you think you want. Unfortunately, everyone will suffer under this stupid delusion.

The fact is, socialism sounds like you'll be getting all of this stuff for free, and everyone lives a great, comfortable, relaxing lifestyle. The reality is if you get anything, oh, sure, you'll get it for free, but at a much, much, MUCH lower standard than you're accustomed to.

The dumbest thing in the world is to give up your freedom to wait for government to hopefully give you a hand out. If the socialism crowd had any respect for themselves, they would never want it.
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:16 PM
 
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Disagree with this. 50k is a completely arbitrary income limit, and this gives people an incentive not to increase their income. Also the tax code already too heavily incentivizes child care. As a person with no children yet, I’m sick of paying for everyone else’s kids.
No the tax code doesn’t add incentive. While the child credit has increased the daycare deduction isn’t that much bigger than when my kids were in daycare in the early 80s. Daycare costs are huge for middle class.
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:25 PM
 
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Well, maybe if we weren't importing millions of illegal aliens, we could afford to do some of this stuff.
Immigrant costs would be far less if we weren’t paying private firms millions to detain them.
I would like to give them court dates, ankle bracelets and temporary work permits (employers would have to cooperate and everyone would pay taxes) they would have to work, pay taxes, go to court to prove they have no criminal background. Most importantly they need to work and pay a fair tax and follow the law.
Paying for kids education will benefit us all in the long run. In a generation or two we will get a huge return on investment.
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:28 PM
 
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I'm perfectly fine with cutting off the benefits the Federal Reserve provide for them instead. Until we do that........
What the heck does the Federal Reserve have to do with this?
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