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Old 03-25-2019, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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So you think removing profit will encourage people to invest their blood sweat and tears into farming?

Have you ever been on a farm?
Lol, profit will still be a factor but it won’t be distributed by and for an outside organization.

And I’ve been on a farm, industrial farming and permaculture are radically different things.
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:38 PM
 
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Lol, profit will still be a factor but it won’t be distributed by and for an outside organization.

And I’ve been on a farm, industrial farming and permaculture are radically different things.
Please elaborate on the difference. You might start by defining each term.
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Please elaborate on the difference. You might start by defining each term.
Permaculture is a renewable holistic form of farming that involves reusing water sources, planting forestry to keep the soil regenerative, and other indigenous methods that do not involve tearing down the prexisting ecosystem to harvest food.

It produces less but people can be more than fed in their entirety with it. Industrial farming is the wholesale slaughter of chicken and mass destruction of the land.
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Lol, profit will still be a factor but it won’t be distributed by and for an outside organization.

And I’ve been on a farm, industrial farming and permaculture are radically different things.
Are you operating under the pretense that before corporations farmers only sold locally? Seriously, break out a history book.
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:52 PM
 
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The more you talk the more it sounds like you saw one documentary and became an expert.

And purporting to be NA too. I've never heard a NA call us Americans they call us whites. Freudian slip.

There is no way in hell you've put time in as a farm laborer. I have.
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:52 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Permaculture is a renewable holistic form of farming that involves reusing water sources, planting forestry to keep the soil regenerative, and other indigenous methods that do not involve tearing down the prexisting ecosystem to harvest food.

It produces less but people can be more than fed in their entirety with it. Industrial farming is the wholesale slaughter of chicken and mass destruction of the land.
Without an established farm it would take the average person many years to break ground, maintain even a small plot and even then you'd have to rely on an outside source of food. There are already too many people living in the US to do this unless you have a big place with existing wealth.

Maybe Alaska if you can handle the winters. Firewood, canning fruit, vegetables and meats. You'd spend most of your summer getting ready for the winter and praying you make it through the winter with what you have.

Starting from scratch? Not a long life just like we had 200 years ago.
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Bison kept the grass fields healthy and offered Natives food and building material. The savage Americans slaughtered them for market demand and the evil American consumer took it all for their high living standards.

Damn them all.
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They actually weren't slaughtered for food or market demand. They were slaughtered because of railroad interests. It was the Republican way. Sacrifice the planet for the sake of the almighty dollar.

This ^ - only it wasn't only for railroad interests, it was also with the intention to starve out and exterminate the Natives. It wasn't for market demand.

Hunters were hired by government and railroad officials to slaughter bison by the millions in an attempt to eradicate them so that the Natives across the continent wouldn't have their most important staple resource that they depended on for their survival. The bison and bison by-products were used by the Natives for year round food, medicine, clothing, weapons, transportation, fuel, housing and building materials and for trade items with other Native societies who didn't have bison where they lived.

Real nice, eh? How come they don't teach Americans the truth about that in history classes in school?

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Old 03-25-2019, 08:56 PM
 
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And another thing, Winter fall:

What's with this "Americans slaughtered the bison" BS. It's like you don't consider NAs to be American!

Well you are very wrong. And that's a nasty attitude you have. All this talk of yours. You're as bad as any of the high headed, arrogant and ignorant zits that come to nDn country to "save" them.

Nobody out here needs your help. Not the people. Not the earth. Not the bison.

Go find another cause.
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:59 PM
 
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This ^ - only it wasn't only for railroad interests, it was also with the intention to starve out and exterminate the Natives. It wasn't for market demand.

Hunters were hired by government and railroad officials to slaughter bison by the millions in an attempt to eradicate them so that the Natives across the continent wouldn't have their most important staple resource that they depended on for their survival. The bison and bison by-products were used by the Natives for year round food, medicine, clothing, weapons, transportation, fuel, housing and building materials and for trade items with other Native societies who didn't have bison where they lived.

Real nice, eh? How come they don't teach Americans the truth about that in history classes in school?

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You wish.

They were slaughtered for commercial reasons. Helping starve out Indians was just a bonus.

And plenty of Indians traded with the whites, helping to kill the bison off.

Indians themselves killed bison in numbers that threatened their existence. One of the final bison hunts claimed several thousand bison for the tribe. That's thousands and thousands not 5 or 10. And that's one tribe doing one hunt.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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This ^ - only it wasn't only for railroad interests, it was also with the intention to starve out and exterminate the Natives. It wasn't for market demand.

Hunters were hired by government and railroad officials to slaughter bison by the millions in an attempt to eradicate them so that the Natives across the continent wouldn't have their most important staple resource that they depended on for their survival. The bison and bison by-products were used by the Natives for year round food, medicine, clothing, weapons, transportation, fuel, housing and building materials and for trade items with other Native societies who didn't have bison where they lived.

Real nice, eh? How come they don't teach Americans the truth about that in history classes in school?

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They did. At least in my school and not all of us were straight hunters. Lil basket were hunter gatherers. NA were all over not just on the plains with the buffalo.

You have this Utopian view that all natives got along. They didn't, not even close. No more than people do today.
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