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View Poll Results: Should the US government always put US citizens first?
Yes 145 89.51%
No 17 10.49%
Voters: 162. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-05-2019, 08:58 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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Originally Posted by MacInTx View Post
If everyone is contributing, why do we need to take care of them?


Is this one of those "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" beliefs?

Because it's the 21st century and the US is an urbanized, post industrial country that requires a "floor" provided to its citizens.
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Old 09-05-2019, 08:58 PM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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No, it should put corporations and the military-industrial complex first.
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Old 09-05-2019, 08:59 PM
 
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Because it's the 21st century and the US is an urbanized, post industrial country that requires a "floor" provided to its citizens.

Anyone who lands here is a "citizen"?


"Floor". Is that some universal basic income?
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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It would appear that most Americans are not aware of American law.

CONSENT OF THE CITIZENRY
“ Our theory of government and governmental powers is wholly at variance with that urged by appellant herein. The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED BY THE CITIZENSHIP to the agencies of government. The people's rights are not derived from the government, but the government's authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief. The fewer restrictions that surround the individual liberties of the citizen, except those for the preservation of the public health, safety, and morals, the more contented the people and the more successful the democracy.”
- - - City of Dallas v Mitchell, 245 S.W. 944
https://casetext.com/case/city-of-dallas-v-mitchell-1
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The rights of the individual / national / non-citizen / inhabitant / non-resident are not derived from government, but are Creator endowed.

But once consent to be governed is granted, via citizenship, that endowment has been surrendered / waived by the citizenry. Why? Because mandatory civic duties abrogate endowed natural rights, natural and personal liberty, absolute ownership of private property, etc, etc.

So citizens have no endowed rights, thus cannot come BEFORE the sovereign people with Creator endowed rights.

Restating the Declaration : All men have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure.
THESE FOLKS ARE SUPERIOR.

All those who consented to be governed, descended in status to subjects of the government and serve it.
THESE FOLKS ARE INFERIOR.
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:15 PM
 
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But once consent to be governed is granted, via citizenship, that endowment has been surrendered / waived by the citizenry. Why? Because mandatory civic duties abrogate endowed natural rights, natural and personal liberty, absolute ownership of private property, etc, etc.

All those who consented to be governed, descended in status to subjects of the government and serve it.
THESE FOLKS ARE INFERIOR.

This is lunacy. Mandatory civic duties DO NOT abrogate my absolute ownership of private property
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:31 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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Originally Posted by MacInTx View Post
Anyone who lands here is a "citizen"?
Obviously not, but we have a broken system. I'm not a big fan of cutting off my nose to spite my face.

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"Floor". Is that some universal basic income?

No, like unemployment assistance, food assistance, healthcare assistance, and jobs retraining.
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It's a simple question.
In what sense? According to the Constitution, all people in US have the same rights (except voting).

You mean like in hospital ER, or at a gas station, all citizens should always be able to cut in line ahead of tourists?
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:39 PM
 
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In what sense? According to the Constitution, all people in US have the same rights (except voting).

You mean like in hospital ER all citizens should always be able to cut in line ahead of tourists?
Really?

Can a citizen be detained for just being here under the Constitution?

Can an illegal be detained for just being here under the Constitution?

The answers are no and yes, because the Constitution allows for people who aren't citizens to be treated differently.

Can an illegal be deported? Can a citizen?

And, IMHO if you have two people with identical injuries show up at a county hospital at the same time, yes, the citizen should be seen first.

Do you believe the tourist should be seen first?
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Old 09-05-2019, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Cali
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Seem like US (at least with the democrats) is the only country in the world thay caters and bend over backward for illegal aliens.

Name me a country (preferably a 1st world country with high standard of living) is doing that?
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Old 09-05-2019, 10:17 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Should the US government always put US citizens first?
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No.

The US government should put the Constitution first.

And if the Constitution doesn't do what's best for the American people, then we should change it. It contains a procedure for how to do that.


If we simply said, "The US govt should put US citizens first", then "what's best for US citizens" would change every week (or more often), depending on the pressures of the various mobs, the coverage of the "news" media, and the whims of whatever group has the biggest microphone that week.

It's why the Constitution required that we have a Republic, not a Democracy.
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