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View Poll Results: Should the US government always put US citizens first?
Yes 145 89.51%
No 17 10.49%
Voters: 162. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-06-2019, 12:49 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Every country puts their own citizens first, just as any family would put their own familty members first.

However the US will stand up for other nations and help those that it is allied with against any common enemy.

This is what happened during WW2 and the subsequent Cold War.
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Old 09-06-2019, 12:57 AM
 
Location: southern california
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It was a Document explaining relationship of the citizens to each other and god
It was written when foreign governments were trying to take away those rights
Anyone attempting to claim those rights by forced entry into the country and denying those rights to others were enemies of the state and union
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Old 09-06-2019, 05:04 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Roboteer View Post
Should the US government always put US citizens first?
Yes
No



No.

The US government should put the Constitution first.

And if the Constitution doesn't do what's best for the American people, then we should change it. It contains a procedure for how to do that.


If we simply said, "The US govt should put US citizens first", then "what's best for US citizens" would change every week (or more often), depending on the pressures of the various mobs, the coverage of the "news" media, and the whims of whatever group has the biggest microphone that week.

It's why the Constitution required that we have a Republic, not a Democracy.
So, if you believe parents who put their kids first give in to their every whim?

If they want chocolate for every meal, putting them first would mean you'd give them chocolate for every meal?

First, understand the question. It's not "Should the US government put everything up for a popular vote?"
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Old 09-06-2019, 07:21 AM
 
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If everyone is contributing, why do we need to take care of them?


Is this one of those "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need (please ignore the overt sexism in this quote - it's from the 19th century)" beliefs?
It's ludicrous for that poster to claim that we should take of everyone within our borders even if they are here illegally. The only thing we owe them is emergency medical care and then send them packing back to their own countries where they belong. Illegal aliens take more than they contribute anyway.
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Old 09-06-2019, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Really?

Can a citizen be detained for just being here under the Constitution?

Can an illegal be detained for just being here under the Constitution?

The answers are no and yes, because the Constitution allows for people who aren't citizens to be treated differently.

Can an illegal be deported? Can a citizen?

And, IMHO if you have two people with identical injuries show up at a county hospital at the same time, yes, the citizen should be seen first.

Do you believe the tourist should be seen first?
The Constitution gives people the same rights regardless of citizenship. The voting rights is an exception. A citizen can be detained for violating laws, although they obviously can't violate immigration laws. That is not a matter of rights, it is a matter of whether or not you are guilty of a any given violation.

Who should be put first? The Constitution. Tell that to Trump.

And NO, hospitals should NOT be verifying citizenship in order to decide who gets treated first.
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Old 09-06-2019, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Seem like US (at least with the democrats) is the only country in the world thay caters and bend over backward for illegal aliens.

Name me a country (preferably a 1st world country with high standard of living) is doing that?
In what way is US bending over for them?
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Old 09-06-2019, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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So, if you believe parents who put their kids first give in to their every whim?

If they want chocolate for every meal, putting them first would mean you'd give them chocolate for every meal?

First, understand the question. It's not "Should the US government put everything up for a popular vote?"
BINGO! A referendum for everything would be chaos and mob rule. It would be disaster. That is NOT in the best interest of U.S. Citizens. So in effect having a pure Democracy would not be putting American citizens first.
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Old 09-06-2019, 08:04 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It's a simple question.

Actually, Government is suppose to put individual endowed rights first.
Citizenship is just those that consented to be governed and registered to vote. Those that agree for others to think for them. You give up your rights to think for yourself. Sometimes more than not, they think they can take your rights



IN SHORT,
The American citizen has no endowed right to life, nor liberty, nor absolute ownership because, as a subject of the State, he can be ordered to train, fight, and die, on command (militia duty), and was obligated to give up a portion of his property (taxes, etc).
However, that does not negate the endowed rights of the American people (noncitizens) who did not consent to be governed.
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Old 09-06-2019, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Cali
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In what way is US bending over for them?
I live in cali.

The democrats in cali want this for illegal aliens

1) driver license
2) free healthcare
3) right to work
4) voting rights for local issues
5) sanctuary state
6) de criminlizing illegal border crossing
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Old 09-06-2019, 11:07 AM
 
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They should, but they don't. First of all, human pride and ego. Secondly, everyone has a boss, and they have their own personal agenda and opinions about how something should be done. Thirdly, the public doesn't know 100% of everything about the inner workings of how a government runs, all the laws and regulations and beauracracy; therefore, there are times when the government cannot give us what we want.
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