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Old 09-17-2019, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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If the consumer wanted them we would. cooking a burger isn't fast either.
It is when you're the customer at the drive thru window.
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Not dismissing personal society.

Just perplexing that we marketed all this crap to people then ask why is society so fat.
Exactly.

Billions are spent on marketing and development of these foods, and the marketing worked, and a good percentage of the population is now fat.

People need to understand that they are being manipulated to put garbage in their body.
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:39 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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It is unrealistic to expect everyone to run 4 times a week for an hour even at moderate intensity.

30 years ago everybody didn't do that. Yet they were thinner than they are now.


People were more active 30 years ago and junk food was less prevalent/accessible.


It's not rocket science.
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:40 AM
 
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Several years ago I lost 25 lbs (170-145) in a year just by cutting carbs, and didn't exercise any more.

Since then I've slacked off the diet and gotten back up to 165, even though I do several minutes on an exercise machine a few times a week, on average.

But I think people are missing the bigger point here: Nobody should really have to go on such strict regimens just to stay reasonably thin. It is harder to stay thin now than it was in the 80's, and that has nothing to do with personal responsibility or habits.

Why It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s
There was a research about penis sizes in two villages. One came with a 15 cm average and the other one with 25. How it can be?
In one they were asking the men, and in the other one the did actual measuring.
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:41 AM
 
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People are no more or less responsible than they were 30 years ago.

Yet they are much fatter.
LOL. Nope. Personal responsibility and self control have gone the way of the dodo bird.

Your posts are prime examples.
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Further, using the calculator linked in your VOX article, I put in my stats:

45 yr old male, 6'4" 230lbs

I put in that I wanted to lose 20lbs in 6 months. Working out by medium intensity running for just 30 mins 4x/week would allow me an additional 415 calories per day, vs just dieting, to get to my goal weight in 180 days.

415 cals is 10 oz of grilled chicken and a cup of roasted cauliflower - i.e. an entire meal worth of food.

Tell me again how exercising doesn't matter....
Go ahead, make my day.
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:48 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Go ahead, make my day.


This is you admitting you are wrong, then? Got it.
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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LOL. Nope. Personal responsibility and self control have gone the way of the dodo bird.
I have already proven my case:
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Why It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s
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The authors examined the dietary data of 36,400 Americans between 1971 and 2008 and the physical activity data of 14,419 people between 1988 and 2006. They grouped the data sets together by the amount of food and activity, age, and BMI.

They found a very surprising correlation: A given person, in 2006, eating the same amount of calories, taking in the same quantities of macronutrients like protein and fat, and exercising the same amount as a person of the same age did in 1988 would have a BMI that was about 2.3 points higher. In other words, people today are about 10 percent heavier than people were in the 1980s, even if they follow the exact same diet and exercise plans.
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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This is you admitting you are wrong, then? Got it.
I'm actually suspecting you either made up your numbers or misused the calculator.
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:50 AM
 
Location: London
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Further, using the calculator linked in your VOX article, I put in my stats:


45 yr old male, 6'4" 230lbs


I put in that I wanted to lose 20lbs in 6 months. Working out by medium intensity running for just 30 mins 4x/week would allow me an additional 415 calories per day, vs just dieting, to get to my goal weight in 180 days.


415 cals is 10 oz of grilled chicken and a cup of roasted cauliflower - i.e. an entire meal worth of food.


Tell me again how exercising doesn't matter....
You're 6'4 and 230 lbs though. For the rest of us who aren't absolute giants (and especially women), that exercise would burn closer to 250 calories per day, which is less than a measly chocolate bar.

Also boneless skinless chicken breast and plain cauliflower is not a meal that will satisfy or allow for much nutrient absorption at all. Without fat or carbs, that diet is a recipe for failure. There's no other culture that intentionally avoids both fat and carbs
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