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Old 11-04-2019, 10:20 AM
 
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Yes. I do. And so do many others.



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Really, other than pointing out some people's fear of the "other", the only reason to be railing against diversity in this day and age is pure, blatant, unabashed, racism.
If that is the case then the Japanese are "RACIST", as are the people of Mexico. And many other non-white countries.



Strangely though I suspect you only hold whites/white countries who stand against forced diversity as "RACIST".
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Old 11-04-2019, 10:22 AM
 
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Apparently you don't either then. If you hire employees who don't report workplace injuries, safety violations or unpaid overtime you're winning

30 million illegal aliens are going to depress wages, whether you are sharp enough to grasp this elementary concept or not. It's basic economics.
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Old 11-04-2019, 11:07 AM
 
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Employers will pick illegals over other applicants every day, all day long. They don't complain, they don't report violations of labor law or of on the job injuries and if they dare report an injury the employer magically finds an irregularity with their paperwork, calls ICE and has them hauled off. And if there aren't any illegals, then refugees will do in a pinch, again they won't complain because they don't want to be deported.

And you won't stop illegal immigration with walls or Trump's tough talk, the only thing that will stop it is if they change the law so that employers who hire them are sent to prison and/or put out of business
In some instances yes. It is about not wanting to deal with those who won't complain. It's about money to an extent. It is always been about the money. It is about wanting individuals who won't complain about abuses, people who will work in dangerous condition, with injuries, and not complain about it. Some business owners want a more disposable workforce.

Think about this. Coal miners in Kentucky and West Virginia started rising up against the coal barons who were basically abusing the workers. They let it be known "we won't take crap from anyone. We'll resort to violence if we have to". People realized "you can't take advantage of people forever, they'll wake, and when they do, it won't be pretty". Now, in the case of the coal mining industry, it isn't attracting many foreigners (legal or illegal) and the nature of it has changed. Less workers are needed for it. However, if illegals showed up for coal jobs, I wouldn't doubt for a moment that they would get work. They would be perceived as less likely to complain, and less likely to fail drug tests (depression is a major problem in many parts of Appalachia, and thus, drug addiction is a major problem there. Many people who want work can't get work because they can't pass drug tests). Coal mining is deadly work.

Illegal immigration can be stopped and we don't need a wall for that. We need our current laws enforced and we need to make it to where if one is here illegally, they can't get work.

The thing about refugees is this: They are here legally. They are here under asylum. They'll do the work, but are more likely to complain once they learn the laws. Illegals can and will be deported for complaining. You can't deport refugees for complaining.

If the refugees don't do the work, some companies might use prisoners. Prison labor will depress wages too, and in some ways, worse than illegals. Illegals can be deported and the law, they shouldn't be there. They could just walk away if they wanted. Prisoners, on the other hand, don't have a choice. They can, according to the Constitution, be forced to work. Prisoners will get paid far less than illegals, and the prison can get away with it. When you're a convict, you have no choice. Alabama tried prison labor to replace the labor needed. Businesses are about their bottom line, for the most part. However, one of the reasons I don't worry about the demographics is because $$$ is involved.

I also think about job discrimination. Someone said "diversity hurts Black people". I disagree. The illegals could be kicked out today. That will still leave plenty of legal residents of foreign background. However, there is more. Black Americans are looked down on more, relative to other groups. In my experiences, Blacks are last preferred, among those who are here legally/citizens. Job discrimination is still an issue, whether some people want to believe it or not.
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Old 11-04-2019, 01:45 PM
 
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Diversity can be a good thing when it just happens. When it's forced on people, it becomes something else.
and WTH is "forced diversity?"
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Old 11-04-2019, 02:41 PM
 
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and WTH is "forced diversity?"
There are plenty if examples.

One is the federal government withholding funding for public schools that aren't "diverse" enough - that don't bus in certain percentages of minority student from outside school bounds to make their schools more "diverse".
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Old 11-04-2019, 02:53 PM
 
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There are plenty if examples.

One is the federal government withholding funding for public schools that aren't "diverse" enough - that don't bus in certain percentages of minority student from outside school bounds to make their schools more "diverse".
Immigration and illegal migration is the most objectional forced diversity and the primary source of it. Many people don't want continued mass and global immigration, actually few want it to continue, yet it's continually forced on us. Once here, various laws and policies force you to fraternize with the foreign we don't click with, and we're constantly lectured to be a good host but no word about being a good quest is allowed.
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Old 11-04-2019, 04:17 PM
 
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Immigration and illegal migration is the most objectional forced diversity and the primary source of it. Many people don't want continued mass and global immigration, actually few want it to continue, yet it's continually forced on us. Once here, various laws and policies force you to fraternize with the foreign we don't click with, and we're constantly lectured to be a good host but no word about being a good quest is allowed.
Immigration isn't forced diversity. Preferring some immigrants over others based on race, however, could be looked at as force.

Our currently immigration laws, when actually enforced, do not play any favorites with it comes to race, nor are they favorable to illegals. Illegals broke the law. Anyone coming here LEGALLY, and through the right processes is not "forced diversity". Forced diversity would mean favoring one group over another.
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Old 11-04-2019, 04:48 PM
 
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There are plenty if examples.

One is the federal government withholding funding for public schools that aren't "diverse" enough - that don't bus in certain percentages of minority student from outside school bounds to make their schools more "diverse".
Name an concrete example of that happening, and under what law or guideline.

I doubt that's happening much, and in fact, schools are just as much or more segregated these days than 40 years ago.
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Old 11-04-2019, 04:51 PM
 
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Old 11-04-2019, 05:36 PM
 
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Immigration isn't forced diversity. Preferring some immigrants over others based on race, however, could be looked at as force.

Our currently immigration laws, when actually enforced, do not play any favorites with it comes to race, nor are they favorable to illegals. Illegals broke the law. Anyone coming here LEGALLY, and through the right processes is not "forced diversity". Forced diversity would mean favoring one group over another.
Yes it is forced when it's not wanted and the people entering invariably become your neighbors, coworkers, classmates, part of the electorate etc. The immigration is demographically different and favors nonwhites 90%. That's been a complaint for a long time that since 1965 Immigration is demographic changing and the source of continuously increasing diversity.,

Illegals are forced on us under numerous rules, laws and court interpretations, plus not enforcing the laws we have against illegals being employed and remaining here.
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