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Old 11-09-2019, 07:20 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Now, to all of you who believe Iran is holding the cards in this game, need I refresh your memory?

Last week, under the cover of darkness, a secret mission was undertaken to get the leader of Isis, which proved successful.
No one publicly knew of this mission, until it was completed.
Do yo really think the president is going to let Iran produce nuclear weapons capable of destroying much of the middle east?

For all any of us know, another secret mission is being planned to wipe out all of Iran's nuclear capability.
We are just not informed of such a plan, nor should we be.
The invasion of that Isis compound was studied, and executed with unparalleled secrecy.
Even those in our government knew nothing about the raid on that compound until it was completed.
Do you actually think the president is going to go public with a plan that could literally wipe Iran from the planet?

If you believe the president is sitting back, unwilling to confront Iran's nuclear plans, you are living under a rock.

Early on in his campaign to be president, Trump stated," you never let the enemy know your plans in advance. to do so would make any plans worthless."
I don't have to be siting in the war room, or the situation room at the white house to understand where the president is coming from when it comes to dealing with Iran.


Bob.
Putin would never allow it.

Ken
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Old 11-09-2019, 07:21 PM
 
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Obama didn't pay for anything. That was Iran's money that was just given back to them for complying with the agreement. But you knew that already, right?
True, Bobbythegreat (ironic) is absolutely not sync'd up with actual reality on the topic.
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Old 11-09-2019, 07:42 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Op is a partisan with no apparent logical skills.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclea...5_negotiations



So basically, in past years Iran already enriched to 20%...and now are just going to enrich to 5%. Hmmmmm.....that means that during previous administrations Iran was enriching to 20% but now that they are enriching to 5%....that's a whole new level of bad.
That 20% enriched uranium was used up by Iran and represents their previous weapons-grade enrichment program the Nuclear Deal had shut down - and unless things change, they will no doubt restart their enrichment to that level and beyond (a spokesman for the AEC recently revealed that Iran has the capability to enrich to 60%). 20% is considered "weapons-grade", while 5% is "fuel grade". Iran could begin that 20% enrichment process within a matter of days and move up from there. The notice that they are going to 5% is a threat. The treaty limited them to 3.5% - which inspectors verified they were abiding by. Now that the deal was voided by Trump, they are moving back towards weapons-grade enrichment.
Iran is flexing it's nuclear enrichment muscles. There is likely more to come as enrichment is an iterative process - and with each iteration, the uranium becomes more enriched.

If you had used those "logic skills" you referred to you'd have UNDERSTOOD that the 20% production previously done was done BEFORE the deal was reached and that since the agreement, they reduced their enrichment to the 3.5% approved by the agreement. NOW they are going back to it.

Congratulations Trump, you've put Iran back on track to build a nuclear weapon.
Some "master negotiator" you turned out to be.


Ken

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Old 11-09-2019, 08:05 PM
 
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That 20% enriched uranium was used up by Iran and represent their previous weapons-grade enrichment program the Nuclear Deal had shut down - and unless things change, they will no doubt restart their enrichment to that level and beyond (a spokesman for the AEC recently revealed that Iran has the capability to enrich to 60%). 20% is considered "weapons-grade", while 5% is "fuel grade". Iran could begin that 20% enrichment process within a matter of days and move up from there. The notice that they are going to 5% is a threat. The treaty limited them to 3.5% - which inspectors verified they were abiding by. Now that the deal was voided by Trump, they are moving back towards weapons-grade enrichment.
Iran is flexing it's nuclear enrichment muscles. There is likely more to come as enrichment is an iterative process - and with each iteration, the uranium becomes more enriched.

If you had used those "logic skills" you referred to you'd have UNDERSTOOD that the 20% production previously done was done BEFORE the deal was reached and that since the agreement, they reduced their enrichment to the 3.5% approved by the agreement. NOW they are going back to it.

Congratulations Trump, you've put Iran back on track to build a nuclear weapon.
Some "master negotiator" you turned out to be.


Ken
1) Speculation that it will continue to 20%, but not reality is not really an argument lmao.

2) So, you're telling me that during previous administrations levels were raised from to 20% but that wasn't their fault?

3) You're assuming that Iran isn't doing anything that would make us rethink such agreements....like funding insurgency, drone attacks, terroism, yemen etc. etc. etc.

P.S. I'm no fan of Trump but you seem to have no logical compass on the topic beyond R & D.
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Old 11-09-2019, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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You mean THEIR money?
It was never OUR money to begin with.

Ken

The right-wingers in this thread may have broken the record for the most disinformation that has been posted. The only money given to Iran was from assets of theirs that was frozen in our banks, after their revolution took place. After decades, it was decided that the only honest thing to do, was return it.
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Old 11-09-2019, 08:10 PM
 
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And in 15 years a whole lot could change.

Hope and Change?




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Instead, we have a developing crises NOW

This has been developing since 1979.
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Old 11-09-2019, 08:12 PM
 
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1) Speculation that it will continue to 20%, but not reality is not really an argument lmao.
A LOGICAL speculation.

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2) So, you're telling me that during previous administrations levels were raised from to 20% but that wasn't their fault?
The OBAMA administration negotiated that 20% being LOWERED to 3.5%. Now, thanks to Trump, it's on it's way back up AGAIN. How is that in any way, shape or form a GOOD thing?


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3) You're assuming that Iran isn't doing anything that would make us rethink such agreements....like funding insurgency, drone attacks, terroism, yemen etc. etc. etc.
You mean like Saudi Arabia? You remember them, our good buddies? Trump LOVES them.



Ken

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Old 11-09-2019, 08:12 PM
 
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Obama didn't pay for anything. That was Iran's money that was just given back to them for complying with the agreement. But you knew that already, right?

That money was returned to them when the agreement went into affect. Compliance had nothing to do with it. Coincidentally they also agreed to release some US hostages on the same day.
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Old 11-09-2019, 08:13 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Hope and Change?
It's called playing the long game.

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This has been developing since 1979.
And is now in overdrive thanks to Trump.

Ken

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Old 11-09-2019, 08:18 PM
 
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Ken

Do not put your words inside a quote box with my name on it. Edit it correctly or I'll request it be removed. There is not many things people do on a forum that bothers me but that tops the list.
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