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Dropping nuclear bombs on civilian populations, instantly killing hundreds of thousands of innocents....
More Japanese civilians died on Okinawa than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. That was the last major battle and would of been the precursor to the invasion of Japan.
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World War 2 was total war, they didn't have the technology to target infrastructure and sites like they do now. Thus industrial centers and the civilians that worked and lived their were targets themselves. The US was spared this only because of two giant oceans.
More Japanese civilians died on Okinawa than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. That was the last major battle and would of been the precursor to the invasion of Japan.
World War 2 was total war, they didn't have the technology to target infrastructure and sites like they do now. Thus industrial centers and the civilians that worked and lived their were targets themselves. The US was spared this only because of two giant oceans.
The bombers were actually pretty accurate. Civilians were targeted on purpose.
Precise figures are not available, but the strategic bombing campaign against Japan, directed by LeMay between March 1945 and the Japanese surrender in August 1945, may have killed more than 500,000 Japanese civilians and left five million homeless.[16] Official estimates from the United States Strategic Bombing Survey put the figures at 220,000 people killed.[12] Some 40% of the built-up areas of 66 cities were destroyed, including much of Japan's war industry
The inspectors only have access to declared sites already known to the West. Any suspected site would require they inform Iran and then a lengthy process where they *might* get access after months. Key provisions would have expired in 15 years.
That is fact, the deal Obama agreed to is a band aid at best and irrelevant at it's worse.
So are we better off now, a lot could happen in 15 years. The Iranians were unhappy with the economic progress we should have let it run it’s course. There was no upside to our departure but certainly a large negative. Name one benefit we got from Trumps withdrawal, just one. This took years of negotiation and compromise to put together, something this administration is incapable of accomplishing.
Dear god. You honestly believe that that had stopped?
Really?
Because that's what your college professor and the folks at CNN said?
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It is humorous that liberals apparently seem to believe what they write (I actually think they don't really believe what they say 90% of the time).
Iran has endeavored to build a nuclear bomb for decades and have never stopped or slowed in their efforts.
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Trusting Iran (inspections or not) was also stupid. They would have done what every other dictator run country has done, and hidden their work because of the inspections. Inspections would likely not have even slowed down their progress (but Stuxnet certianly did!)
The nuclear deal required Iran "to provide the International Atomic Energy Agency access to all of its declared facilities", including "enrichment facilities, the supply chain that supports the nuclear program and uranium mines as well as continuous surveillance at uranium mills, centrifuge rotors and bellows production and storage facilities."
The nuclear deal also required Iran "to grant access to the IAEA to investigate suspicious sites or allegations of a covert enrichment facility, conversion facility, centrifuge production facility, or yellowcake production facility anywhere in the country." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_n...d_transparency
Do you honestly believe Iran has the ability to outsmart the United Kingdom, Russia, France, China, Germany, the European Union, the United States, and the the International Atomic Energy Agency, and then create nuclear weapons without all those countries and nuclear agencies knowing about it?
The bombers were actually pretty accurate. Civilians were targeted on purpose.
That's like saying a shotgun is accurate when you are trying to hit the bullseye on a target. Keep firing and you 'll hit it eventually. Civilians were targeted on purpose from all sides, you can't make war without people building weapons or a home to live in. Japanese civilians took a back seat to the lives of US service members. You can't apply what we can do now to decisions made in 1945.
The nuclear deal also required Iran "to grant access to the IAEA to investigate suspicious sites or allegations of a covert enrichment facility, conversion facility, centrifuge production facility, or yellowcake production facility anywhere in the country." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_n...d_transparency
They would first be required to inform Iran of their suspicions and then a lengthy process that could take months which *may* get them access.
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The bombers were actually pretty accurate. Civilians were targeted on purpose.
One more thing Finn, if you were part of a US bomber crew of WW2.... If you walked into a room with 10 people during training, nearly half of them would be dead before the war was over and one of them would be in the hospital or a prison camp. It was one of the most dangerous jobs of WW2.
That's like saying a shotgun is accurate when you are trying to hit the bullseye on a target. Keep firing and you 'll hit it eventually. Civilians were targeted on purpose from all sides, you can't make war without people building weapons or a home to live in. Japanese civilians took a back seat to the lives of US service members. You can't apply what we can do now to decisions made in 1945.
I simply stated the fact that civilians were targeted on purpose. Same was true in Europe and in Japan.
And the Norden bomb-sights used in WW-II (and Korea and Vietnam) actually WERE very accurate.
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One more thing Finn, if you were part of a US bomber crew of WW2.... If you walked into a room with 10 people during training, nearly half of them would be dead before the war was over and one of them would be in the hospital or a prison camp. It was one of the most dangerous jobs of WW2.
Sure. Very dangerous. No argument there. My father in law was part of a crew on one of the bombers.
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